Why Meditate?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby robertk » Fri May 25, 2012 5:54 am

To add to the last post. The idea in that diagram that as WISDOM grows - even to the extent that vipassana nanas are attained, that one would want to stop developing further doesn't make sense. The opposite should be true I think.

It looks like a misapprehension of what wisdom is and what the path is.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .soma.html
the Dhamma, good in the beginning, good in the middle, good in the end, possessed of meaning and the letter, and complete in everything;
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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby dhamma_newb » Fri May 25, 2012 10:56 am

The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby daverupa » Fri May 25, 2012 11:31 am

If this is such a common problem, where are the dark-nights-of-the soul amongst monastics in the Suttas (and not the ones associated with asubha)? Nearly everyone is described as having a relatively radiant expression, being peaceful of comportment, and so on. There are descriptions of there being benefit to the Path even for those with tears streaming down their face, so there is challenge, but this is not easily associated with bhavana.

Samadhi is soft, and not harsh as here, due to sila, brahmavihara, samatha, jhana. There are obstacles to the Path, but for those experiencing dark nights as part of the path, I wonder about the place and degree of these things for them.

This also serves as a response to 'why meditate' - it can be imagined ("meditation is like...") as hard-wiring kusala ("!") improvements (sila, et al) and trimming akusala counterparts. This prevents dark nights as every insight is pleasant confirmation of the Dhamma ("...revolves around right view", preventing confusion and fear in the face of knowledge, insight), not stressful contradiction with expectation & habit.

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Prasadachitta » Fri May 25, 2012 3:41 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Why Meditate?

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why meditate?
because we never know who will come out of meditation, and sometimes we get a promotion. :woohoo:
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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Postby Prasadachitta » Sat May 26, 2012 12:28 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby mikenz66 » Sat May 26, 2012 8:47 pm

Hi Ron, All,

Perhaps we could discuss another aspect of this issue. All this discussion of "Dark Nights" could give the impression that people at that stage are miserable all the time. Hence, perhaps, some of the negative comments on this thread.

My experience of this is small, but I have known personally a few of people going through this sort of process. While they talked about unsettling experiences at meditation/discussion meetings, they were, for the most part, happy, balanced people.

Any comments?

:anjali:
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