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Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 9:10 pm

How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon May 28, 2012 9:17 pm

This is a pretty sticky topic but it may be more accurate to turn the question on its head and ask how the Mahayana and Vajrayana become distinct traditions largely without reference to the Pali Canon. Let the controversy begin anew... :tongue:
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Alex123 » Mon May 28, 2012 9:42 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks


Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:36 pm

I didn't think it was a hot topic. :popcorn: Theravada must be regionally Indian where Gautama Buddha lived and died - Mahayana and Vajrayana must have been "introduced" to Tibet, parts of Asia, and China.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:38 pm

Alex123 wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks


Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?


Yes, I think so. Or maybe parallel along the same time <?>
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Maitri » Mon May 28, 2012 10:46 pm

Alex123 wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks


Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?


That depends on who you ask. For example in the T'ien T'ai (Tendai) chronological categories, the Avatamsaka Sutra was taught first right after the Buddha achieved Enlightenment. Modern scholarship will disagree with this.

Theravada states that the first teachings was the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta. So I guess it's important to ask from which view are you investigating this question.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby SDC » Mon May 28, 2012 10:50 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks


Because people interpret things differently and can't come to an agreement.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:56 pm

Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby SDC » Mon May 28, 2012 11:55 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.


Since this topic can be exhausting, has been discussed many times before, and you are a new member, it may help if you give a few reasons why you want to have this discussion. Just an idea.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Tue May 29, 2012 12:50 am

SDC wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.


Since this topic can be exhausting, has been discussed many times before, and you are a new member, it may help if you give a few reasons why you want to have this discussion. Just an idea.


I spent some time over at the other Dharma Wheel forum before coming here. Did not know this would be a hot topic
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby tiltbillings » Tue May 29, 2012 1:27 am

It is not a hot topic. It is now in the "Open Dhamma" section.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby SDC » Tue May 29, 2012 1:29 am

Wesley1982 wrote:Did not know this would be a hot topic


Definitely not hot, just very broad.

EDIT - Sorry for coming off like a cynical pr*#k.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby polarbuddha101 » Tue May 29, 2012 1:42 am

When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 29, 2012 1:48 am

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polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?

Presumably when they felt the need to differentiate themselves from those who didn't?

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby SDC » Tue May 29, 2012 1:53 am

polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?


Probably when they realized that by just calling themselves "Buddhist" meant that they believed in everything that was classified as Buddhism; of which there was a great deal that they did not agree with.

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby hanzze_ » Tue May 29, 2012 5:16 am

polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?

Maybe because they just grow old.

...they had no problem when youngsters called them like that (let the elders...) and some days later they called themselves like that, with a kind of self-humor. With right view, critic can become a honor as well, but honor also leads easy back to pride. A turning wheel.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby cooran » Tue May 29, 2012 7:29 am

Hello Wesley,

These two articles may contain what you are looking for:

Theravada Buddhism: A Chronology
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/history.html

What is Theravada Buddhism? by Dr. V. A. Gunasekara
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/theravada.html

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby greggorious » Tue May 29, 2012 3:44 pm

Anyone know what the very first Mahayana schools were called? Tibetan Buddhism came quite a bit after the mahayana sutra's were written, Zen had many different forms quite a bit fater the sutra's were written too.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Nyana » Tue May 29, 2012 5:59 pm

greggorious wrote:Anyone know what the very first Mahayana schools were called?

The Mahāyāna is a vehicle (yāna) encompassing many historical developments. The two Indian Mahāyāna commentarial traditions are the Madhyamaka and the Yogācāra.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Postby Wesley1982 » Tue May 29, 2012 9:56 pm

polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?


Hmm, I think Theravada Buddhists are traditionally Indian. As pertaining to their local custom.
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