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Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

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Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Stiphan » Wed May 30, 2012 3:02 pm

So I just finished the Digha Nikaya and am about to start the Majjhima Nikaya. I came across Bhikkhu Bodhi's lectures on the MN ( http://bodhimonastery.org/a-systematic- ... ikaya.html ) but the suttas there are arranged thematically and not in their proper order.

My question is: should I read the suttas in their true order or should I follow BB's thematic order?

Thanks!

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed May 30, 2012 3:11 pm

I may be wrong but I don't think they are arranged in a particularly essential order. It's better to group them thematically.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Hickersonia » Wed May 30, 2012 3:24 pm

I'm simply reading it through in the way it is presented. :) I'll end up having to read the whole thing more than once for it to sink in, anyway. Your results may vary, of course.
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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby BKh » Wed May 30, 2012 4:03 pm

If you are already familiar with the Dhamma and suttas (as you must be if you have finished the DN) it doesn't matter so much what order you read them in. I don't think Bhante's order includes every single sutta, so you would want to make sure you picked up any that you had missed at the end.

On this page
http://readingfaithfully.org/majjhima-n ... -practice/
There is a slightly modified beginning-to-end order that starts you in the section with similies and puts off reading MN 1 till you have a few under your belt. But this is only necessary if you have never read suttas before.

As Hickersonia said, reading more than once is necessary. For simplicity sake, reading one to 152 is easiest. The traditional order is not completely random so you will see some affinity between suttas that are located together.

But if your plan is to listen to all of Bhante's lectures, then you would want to take them in order.

Because I believe there are few problems that can't be solved by forms, I created a simple checklist a while ago for each of the suttas in the MN. I guess I was thinking it would be useful if someone was reading them out of order. But it could be a case of a solution in search of a problem. :smile: Any way, I have attached it. Let me know if it is helpful.
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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 30, 2012 7:40 pm

Hi,
I havn't listened to the lectures, but may I sugest you read the Nikaya before listening to it, it may help you understand what is being said in the wider context of the both the texts and the talks?

I usually find reading cover to cover then by subject is better than the other way round as you have a grasp of the wider scope and pieces can be linked together on occasion for a finer and finer understanding.


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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Stiphan » Thu May 31, 2012 6:46 am

Thank you all! I will be reading it in its proper order then. :anjali:

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Cittasanto » Thu May 31, 2012 6:56 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Cittasanto » Thu May 31, 2012 6:59 am

P.s. I will read MN1 today :)

EDIT - one on its own and a second time including foot notes


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Stiphan » Thu May 31, 2012 8:21 am

Cool. I was thinking of starting tomorrow (MN 1 - June 1), but if you're starting today then I am too. 1 sutta per day, right? :smile:

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 31, 2012 9:53 am

Greetings,

Pleased to hear you're starting with MN 1... it's a very important sutta.

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Ben » Thu May 31, 2012 9:57 am

they're all good!
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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Cittasanto » Thu May 31, 2012 2:14 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby Kare » Thu May 31, 2012 7:53 pm

Mettāya,
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Re: Beginning study of Majjhima Nikaya

Postby pulga » Thu May 31, 2012 10:18 pm

Path Press has a link to Ven. Ñanamoli's draft translantion of the Mulapariyayasutta.

http://pathpress.wordpress.com/2012/05/ ... sutta-111/

While I think Ven. Bodhi has done an admirable job in revising Ñanamoli's work to make it accessible to those with a more conventional approach to the Dhamma, I suspect a lot of the phenomenological nuance was lost.

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