4 Noble Truths

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4 Noble Truths

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby Wesley1982 » Thu May 31, 2012 5:25 pm

What are some common mistakes that beginners make?

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:30 am

That they believe, that they are beginners and feel insecure. That is a very good book, it just needs its time and field experiences. Just try to watch it.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby ground » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 am

The term "truth" may be perceived inappropriately.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:03 am

Did you find that out for your self? Or is that just general mistrust in regard of the eightfold path.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby ground » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:07 am

To my knowledge "may be" stands for a possibility. In the context of statements of the kind "that may be so or so" the meaning is suggestive.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:21 am

Starting with developing doubt of the four noble truth is not the way of this tradition and according to this traditions, spending times with people who have doubt in fundamental principles would not be useful to reach the stream. Its a more secure and more responsible way that is used here.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby ground » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:28 am

Yes. There should not be any doubt about the appropriate perception of the term "truth".

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:39 am

Whether you doubt or not, perceptions are used to find one day behind them. That's the way of beings. To cut of the tool first is more a method of some who like to keep their ways as they are. That is also a way of having a feeling of release, but its not lasting.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:05 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:35 am

I guess this is maybe a good overview in addition to what you know already from the book "What the Buddha taught- by Walpola Rahula".

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:20 pm

Dear Jason,

that could easily lead to nihilism or aversion against live, there is no problem with life, there is just becoming (birth) and it's cause which makes life to something that is suffering.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby hanzze_ » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:37 pm

Dear Jason,

Can you explain that a little more: "these all represent a combination of pure mind and matter(or body) the buddhas teachings lead to an experience of pure mind alone free from body and ultimately the cessation of pure mind(nibbana or truth )." Somehow I have the feeling that there is a eternalistic view hidden in a nihilistic. Do we need to lose the body first?

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:03 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

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Re: 4 Noble Truths

Postby Wesley1982 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:49 pm

Does the eight spokes of the Dhamma wheel represent the Eight-Fold Path?..

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