retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Rick,
Yes, you could say both teachings are based on emptiness (sunnata).
Rick O'Shez wrote:But isn't dependent arising also the basis for sunnata?
Chris wrote:Hello Rick,
DN 15 Maha-nidana Sutta The Great Causes Discourse
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
rowyourboat wrote:dependant origination is possible because things are impermanant
otherwise things would just last and nothing new would arise!
The mind opens when it sees and realizes these twelve links of Dependent Origination directly. As a result, the mind becomes dispassionate and free. This is as true now in present times, as it was 2500 years ago. Any teaching that doesn't highlight the necessity of the Dependent Origination as its realization and final goal or destination, isn't teaching the true path. Currently, many people say that seeing impermanence, suffering, and not-self is realizing nibbina. However, one must note that although these characteristics do lead the way to realizing nibbina and are very important to develop, they don't directly allow one to see the supramundane state of Nibbana. The meditator can see, one or all of the three characteristics of existence, i.e., impermanence, suffering and not-self, without directly seeing Dependent Origination, but, when one sees Dependent Origination directly he will always see all of the three characteristics. According to the first sutta in the Maha Vagga of the Vinaya, it cannot work. any other way.
Rhino wrote:Here is additionally a quote from Bhante Vimalaramsi:..... Any teaching that doesn't highlight the necessity of the Dependent Origination as its realization and final goal or destination, isn't teaching the true path.
Rick O'Shez wrote:Rhino wrote:Here is additionally a quote from Bhante Vimalaramsi:..... Any teaching that doesn't highlight the necessity of the Dependent Origination as its realization and final goal or destination, isn't teaching the true path.
Thanks for that. He is making quite a strong statement - food for thought.
Zhalmed Pawo wrote:According to Je Tsongkhapa (founder of the Tibetan Geluk School), dependent origination and selflessness (or emptiness) of phenomena are the same. This happens to conform with Theravada sources. (Not all, but most, as the Theravada is a huge and varieted School.)
For instance, in one Pali Sutta, after the Buddha has explained the dependant origination, Ananda says that it was a nice and easy teaching, easy for everyone to understand, to which Buddha comments that "do not say so, Ananda, since only because of not understanding dependant origination, living beings are trapped in samsara, so this dependent origination is not easy to see at all". Usually 'the escape' is presented as selflessness or emptiness, but here the Buddha says that it is dependent origination.
They are same same.
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