Winny wrote:Right Livelihood, samma ajiva
Abstention from making a living that harms others, including trading weapons, trading in human beings (such as slavery), intoxicating drinks, narcotics, poisons, handling animal flesh such as a butcher, or killing animals.
I wonder if selling eggs or egg-based products considered as killing/wrong livelihood?
Hanzze wrote:Who says? Eating it self does not have anything to do with what was before the egg was on the table. Wanting an egg and do not care about where it comes from and how it comes on the table might be a different thing.
A fertilized egg even freely given a perfect present, it might even taken release the hen form the illusion to have a task to sit on it.
DAWN wrote:So eating meat, eating eggs, it's not natural for us.
DAWN wrote:Our body is not made for klling. Humin cant kill a cow olny with his body, human cant kill a pig only with his body. Body is not made to kill, if it is be made fot it, our body and it phisical capasity will be different
If we give to one little baby a poult and an apple, instanctively, he will eat an apple and play with poult. Our mind is not made to kill.
i will not continue this discussion because those who killing others to survive will not stop killing others to survive, and those who can living without killing others will not become a killer. So i prefere still here.
Hanzze wrote:Its not wise to argue a laymans life with Bhikkhus rules,
it even closes the door to Bhikkhuhood.
It is not easy to understand (because one still craves for many) that there is no way to generalize eating while using matters as an object to observe. The path to wholesome actions is not the clincing to ideas but the honest observing of intentions.
Today there is a great force of "Buddhists the better eater" with ideas of what should be eaten, but if one gets aware how much suffering such generalizations are causing, one would let go of it. Buddha was not anly aware of the bad intention of Devadata but also of the danger that such genralization would close the path and give foolish discrimination its going on.
I really suggess you to read those even poor words: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation (maybe in some days if it absets you to much which is understandable but not for the bad)
If there is a layman able to nourish on food that is not causing killing and ! not causing taking, that it can be maked that be is very lucky or better has done much merits in the past but he will be one under million.
Doing good and doing wholesome is very differnt and needs time and much appamada to be understood.
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