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Facebook induced suffering

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Facebook induced suffering

Postby rucontent » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:44 am

I happen to be in a situation where i have left facebook a few times but ended up returning. However now i am at a turning point once again wherein i feel like not only do i not gain from using it but I feel like the act of looking and checking facebook..induces sankhara's ...... I have talked to others about this and have found that many agree....FB being a breeding ground for ego driven comments, nuerotic postings of cravings and aversions.....etc....

without trying to analyze my situation directly....while you can certainly offer commentary....I would love to hear from the group about their comments....

of course suffering here is meant on a buddhist level instead of a nuerotic torturous type of suffering,,,,...instead a more subtle corrosive level, time stealer

Please chime in with a more thorough analysis...

on the other side of this coin....I wonder if i am running from potential opportunity to increase mental strength.....or is it like a alcoholic going to a bar just to prove he doesnt have to drink......


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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:19 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Dan74 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:42 am

I am kind of clueless about Facebook and would be interested in examples and more detail about the situation described in the OP. Also what keeps bringing you back, what are the positives?
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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:51 am

I have a very positive experience with facebook.
It allows me to keep in contact with the diaspora of family, friends and Dhamma-friends.
And there are plenty of worthwhile groups, such as this one:


kind regards,

Ben
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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby marc108 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:07 am

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:26 am

Modern networks and communications systems today make us very addicted to adherence. When we remember about 30 years ago, there was actually not a little need of all of that. This networks give us a kind of illusion, that we are able to act in a way we like it around the clock. One reality which comes with those technologies is, that we lose the capacity of remember. Another is that agreements are something we also reject. They make it kind of easy to follow one's moods and this gives us a kind of feeling of freedom.
Some say, today we can manage much more but I would say it's the opposite. Responsibility decays and promises have not much value. "You agreed something and now you feel hungry? No problem, give it a call."

From a perspective of letting go, letting go of worldly things, those systems are maybe the most difficult thing to overcome. If somebody for example left home and his family some years ago, then he actually left them. That means also to work on his desire for them. Today our thoughts are mostly hundred miles away and it makes our live here and where we are, very difficult.

Having no connection to the outside also means, that 90% of problem which are actually no problem do not enter our thought. We are not distracted from things which are not ours.
Actually this social networks in fact destruct real social networks, which go behind just mental relations ships. People more and more do no more meet each other, they meet avatars. Its like splitting the live into two parts.

Many might say that is one of the most beneficial achievement of today, I tend to say, that it is one of the biggest and destructive drug human ever developed. It makes us more and more dependent, not to speak about all the misuse and the not so well meant intentions of such networks. Its about stilling desire and creating desire and to turn on the business out of it.

But as long as we use it to understand our self better, like we use our mind to free us from it, it might have also its positive effects. How ever right intention is always important to reflect.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:50 am

Like Ben I don't notice anything particularly negative about Facebook. I guess it must depend on who your friends are. In my experience, ego-driven comments and neurotic postings are much more common on Forums such as DhammaWheel than on Facebook (where they are non-existent for me). This is probably because all I do on Facebook is share links and photographs with friends.

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:03 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby daverupa » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:52 am

I used Facebook once upon a time, but never had it meet a need other than boredom-habit. Also, it's not a medium conducive to meaningful discussion, only soundbites and games and running commentary on ones own life & the lives of others.

I failed to see the value, though it's easy to see the attraction.

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby alan » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:59 pm

I love Facebook, use it to promote my photos and share a bit about my travels.

Friend me!

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Pacific » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:56 am

I don't use it much but I have joined the Dhammawheel group. I'm reluctant to live my life on the internet, I like some privacy. I don't feel the tempation to check facebook constantly but I can see how easily it could happen to some. The internet in general can really get the sankharas going

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby manas » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:12 am

A few people, including my brother and sister who love facebook, have tried to rope me into it, and I have given it a go a few times. But I can never see what all the fuss is about. I find it kind of trite and uninspiring. Each to their own, but for me it's like a b-grade movie. And observing how obsessed my eldest daughter sometimes gets with it, does make me wonder about whether FB is good for today's youth, or harmful, ultimately. For example, there is so much bullying now on FB amongst teens, which can have devastating consequences.

I prefer to use the Internet for learning, and gathering information, rather than getting 'liked' by countless people I hardly even know - or don't really know at all. If I want to hang out with people, I prefer it face to face, rather than via my computer screen! Real people, real interactions.

But, 'each to their own', as the saying goes...

metta,

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:33 am

Hi manas

I think its a mistake to characterize all online relationships as inferior to real-world relationships. Very many people live isolated from family members, friends, teachers and sangha members and the internet, and even facebook, can and does facilitate ongoing contact. Thanks to facebook I was able to find friends who I had not seen for 25 to 30 years. There is great potential for facebook and online communications to be of great benefit. The fact that you have personally not experienced those benefits for yourself does not invalidate those benefits.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 am

Dear Ben,

why not just visit them in person? Going for search of an old friend in the real world has maybe much more value and we would meet a 90% different person and a lot of our own history as well as intentions.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby manas » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:03 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby cooran » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:20 am

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby poto » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:58 pm

I still steadfastly refuse to use facebook. Mainly because I dislike how they treat their users and sell off people's personal information.

My family keeps trying to get me to use facebook, saying almost all the other family members are on there. On that note, I have 2 aunts who have been very close all their lives, and they are now not speaking to each other over some insults exchanged on facebook. I find that kind of sad, and can't help but to think that had it not been for facebook they might still be talking. I doubt that other mediums of communication would have given rise to the same insults and egos.

I already have at least half a dozen ways people can contact me. People I know can visit me in person, call me on the phone, text me, e-mail me, instant message me, etc. If it's not something important enough to contact me through any of those mediums then I probably don't need to waste me time with it.

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Sekha » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:24 am

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby manas » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:59 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Facebook induced suffering

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:04 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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