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Postby piotr » Sun May 31, 2009 3:48 pm

Hi,

In my signature I have a quote from Sutta-piṭaka which means: "Dhammas are rooted in the Blessed One...". This words appear frequently in the discourses, when monks questioned by the Buddha are uncertain about some point in the teachings. But I wonder what the Commentary has to say about it. Could someone translate this piece of Commentary?

    Bhagavaṃmūlakāti bhagavā mūlaṃ etesanti bhagavaṃmūlakā. Idaṃ vuttaṃ hoti – ime, bhante, amhākaṃ dhammā pubbe kassapasammāsambuddhena uppāditā, tasmiṃ parinibbute ekaṃ buddhantaraṃ añño samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā ime dhamme uppādetuṃ samattho nāma nāhosi, bhagavatā pana no ime dhammā uppāditā. Bhagavantañhi nissāya mayaṃ ime dhamme ājānāma paṭivijjhāmāti evaṃ bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammāti.—Mahādhammasamādānasuttavaṇṇanā


Thanks!
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Re: Commentary on...

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 31, 2009 11:11 pm

That would be Ven Dhammanando, who is probably the only one around here who has mastered commentarial Pali.

What sutta/nikaya is the signature quote from?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Commentary on...

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:00 am

Hi Piotr,

I'll post a translation of the comm. passage later today. But for now let me remark on this:

In my signature I have a quote from Sutta-pi.taka which means: "Dhammas are rooted in the Blessed One...".


Don't forget the pronoun!

"Bhagava.mmuulakaa no, bhante, dhammaa"

"For us, bhante, doctrines have their source in the Blessed One," or, "Our doctrines, bhante, have their source in the Blessed One."
    ...and this thought arose in the mind of the Blessed One:
    “Who lives without reverence lives miserably.”
    Uruvela Sutta, A.ii.20

    It were endless to dispute upon everything that is disputable.
    — William Penn Some Fruits of Solitude,
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Re: Commentary on...

Postby piotr » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:11 am

Bhante,

Dhammanando wrote:Don't forget the pronoun!


Thank you for your remark! I would be pleased to read your translation of the Commentary. :anjali:
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Re: Commentary on...

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:16 pm

Cześć, here's my translation...

    The Blessed One is the source of them, thus they are "sourced in the Blessed One" (or: "with the Blessed One as their source"). This is said: "Bhante, these dhammas of ours were made manifest in the past by Kassapa, the Perfectly Awakened One. When he attained final Nibbana, for one Buddha-interval there was no other ascetic or brahmin who was capable of making these dhammas manifest. But [now] these dhammas have been made manifest for us by the Blessed One. Having indeed relied upon the Blessed One, we directly understand and penetrate these dhammas, thus [we say] "For us, bhante, dhammas have their source in the Blessed One."

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    Uruvela Sutta, A.ii.20

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Re: Commentary on...

Postby piotr » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:15 pm

Witaj bhante, :smile:

Thanks so much!
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Re: Commentary on...

Postby piotr » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:26 pm

Hi, :smile:

tiltbillings wrote:What sutta/nikaya is the signature quote from?


This is stock formula which appears in Majjhima-, Saṃyutta-, Aṅguttara-, & Khuddaka-nikāya. Take a look for example at the Mahāsuññata-sutta (MN 122) <M. iii, 115>.
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