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Meditation Influence Diagram

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:35 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:49 am

Greetings Tilt,

I don't understand what you're getting at with the link.

Are you suggesting that there's an opportunity to add Visuddhimagga/Buddhaghosa or other texts to the list?

Or are you confusing Gnanananda with Gunaratna?

Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiribathgo ... anda_Thero

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:44 am

Greetings Travis,

No concerns about active discrimination from me, just so long as you're aware that the lineage method may inherently involve passive discrimination if not handled carefully... but you seem to be across it. (I'll have a look at the Gunaratna video when I get a chance - I don't have access just at the moment. UPDATE: I have now seen the video, it would seem that the good monk falls in the same category as the two monks I mentioned in terms of who/what he takes as teacher).

The only extra info on Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero that comes to mind other than Wikipedia, is via this Blog Entry by Theravadin - http://tinyurl.com/mahamevnawa - which should go some way as to making clear why I think it is very important that the Sutta Pitaka be acknowledged as a direct teacher for those who recognise it and identify with it as such.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby Mr Man » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:09 am

Hi Travis
I think it may be worth considering naming your project/diagram something like "connections" rather than lineage. I think the term lineage is rather misleading.
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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:04 am

Greetings Mike,

Isn't it for the individual to define and explain their own influences?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:28 am

Sure. They can say what they like. I'm just expressing my opinion that all the above mentioned practice according to the suttas + various other influences. I know you think there is something useful about searching for dividing lines between the the "various other influences" but, as you know, I don't. Of course, one can discuss how this or that person seems to be more or less influenced by this or that, but in my view the Dhamma has been preserved by 2500 years of live Sangha, and all the above-mentioned are inextricably influenced by that.

It seems to me that the point of this thread was to discuss some of the major ways that this preservation continues.

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:50 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby tsurezuregusa » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:02 pm

Hello,

I am not able to open the pdf-file. It says, it is broken. Does anyone else encounter the same problem? And has a solution.

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Re: Meditation/Lineage Diagram

Postby Buckwheat » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:07 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Meditation Influence Diagram

Postby Travis » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:57 pm

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Small change between v2>v3 Goenka is included as an influence for Analayo.
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Re: Meditation Influence Diagram

Postby tsurezuregusa » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:07 am

Hi Travis,

thanks for making the lineage diagram accessible again!

I have a question to all: Under the Mingun Jetavan Sayadaw we both find Mahasi Sayadaw and Soma Thera and Kheminda Thera. Are these two the Venerables that critized Mahasi Sayadaw and his "New Myanmar Satipaṭṭhānā Method"?

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Re: Meditation Influence Diagram

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Re: Meditation Influence Diagram

Postby tsurezuregusa » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:37 am

I enjoyed reading Satipaṭṭhāna Vipassanā: Criticisms and Replies very much. I am quite fond of technical discussions.

But, did these two, Soma Thera and Kheminda Thera, really study under Mingun Jetavan Sayadaw? Why then would they critize Mahasi Sayadaw? Assuming Mahasi's teaching is in line with the Mingun Sayadaw.

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Re: Meditation Influence Diagram

Postby tsurezuregusa » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:05 am

Addionally, does anyone know of a connection between Mahasi Sayadaw and Webu Sayadaw?

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