Are these among right livelihood?

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Are these among right livelihood?

Postby SamKR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:39 pm

Hi, what do you think about the following jobs related to programming and mathematics? Do they fall under right livelihood or wrong?

1. Game designer/developer (gambling games/slot machines as seen in casinos)
2. Video game designer (console games for playstation, xbox, etc.)
3. Animator (animation movies, television/web animation)
4. Special effects director (

To me the first one is not a right livelihood. Do you think the first one is okay if the developer neither plays nor encourages others to gamble?
I am not sure about the other three. Which among them is/are okay?

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby daverupa » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:56 pm

: "And what is wrong livelihood? Scheming, persuading, hinting, belittling, & pursuing gain with gain."

: "A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

-3 suggest that soldiering and acting both lead to certain sorts of hell-states.


Taking all of this together, it really depends on whether there's right intention. The AN passage suggests that there are only five sorts of business which are impossible to engage in with right intention. The MN passage seems to be overall advice; it's possible to see entertainment as a form of intoxication, which might put the SN passages in a helpful perspective, but this would tend to support a criticism of all four of those occupational categories.

Remembering that for someone who has developed the Path there is no danger that a sudden death without mindfulness necessarily leads to horrible states, one would expect that an actor, say, who practiced the Dhamma would eventually begin to outweigh their "fate" per the SN passage, so we must remain focused on the fact that intention over time is at the crux of discerning right & wrong livelihood.

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby santa100 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:15 pm

I guess it depends on the content/intention of the video game. There are brain teasers and memory training video games that help prevent Alzheimer's disease for senior folks. There're also animations used for education purposes..

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby Hickersonia » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:04 pm

:arrow: "pursuing gain with gain"

Why do I think of the stock market when I read that?

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm

He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby mirco » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:13 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby SamKR » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:27 pm

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Re: Are these among right livelihood?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:11 am

Just that! *smile*

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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