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The mind by Ajahn Chah

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The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:42 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Viscid » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:37 pm

I think the similarities of Chah's teaching and Zen is evidence of a core Buddhist philosophy that emerges from authentic practice.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby gavesako » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:19 pm

Western readers see what they want to see in Ajahn Chah: this quote has been a bit "spiced up" in the English translation to sound like something out of Advaita teachings or similar (because the translators were into that). But if you read it in Thai and put it in the context of Ajahn Chah's teachings in general, there is nothing that strange about it, he is just talking about the way the mind gets conditioned to certain habits which is a normal Theravada explanation. And there are lots of references to Suttas and similes taken from Suttas all through his talks. He only came across Thai translations of some Zen masters at the end of his life.
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Viscid » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:00 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:25 pm

[quote="DarwidHalim"]I saw this teaching from Ajahn chah at the back of Awaken Magazine.

Frankly, the way Ajahn chah teach is not a typical Theravada master. His teaching style is very similar to the zen, Mahamudra, Mahasandi style.

Does anyone know whether he has a contact or dharma sharing with other traditions?

I know he had contact with burmese monks :juggling:
but seriously, he seamed to be very flexible with his teaching and if something worked that is what mattered to him, but be careful with translations they may not represent what the original is (as Ajahn Thanissaro in an article/talk and Ajahn Gavesako have mentioned here.)

Apart from when he first met Ajahn Sumedho (who at the time was using transcribed talks by a chan(zen) monk who was 112 at the time of the retreat (if I remember although 104 is a possibility) which was transcribed I don't think he has had any influential contact with zen or tibetan monks (although his disciples have such as Ajahn Amaro & Ajahn Sumedho)


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:34 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:38 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:12 pm

Thanks Bodom
:anjali:


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:32 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby DarwidHalim » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:14 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:24 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:29 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:08 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby gavesako » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:35 am

Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:47 am

Hi Bhikku Gavesako
Do you have a link to an audio file for this talk?
:anjali:

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby gavesako » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:37 pm

Not sure if an original audio file still exists, but I remember looking at the Thai text version.

In case you are interested, tomorrow 17th June is the anniversary of Ajahn Chah's birthday. I am sure he has realized the "original mind" that he spoke of...

:anjali:
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby DarwidHalim » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Thanks Bhante for the alternative.

By the way, what is the main issue or disagreement between the translation in the magazine and the one that you provide. Basically, I can't see the difference.

What is the complain or issue about this labeling "Original Mind"?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The mind by Ajahn Chah

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:35 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/


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