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Other conditions today???

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:49 am

Hi Kamran,
certainly on this level there is a difference but I do not see how this changes anything regarding the teachings, as the brain was used in the proffession of certain of the Buddhas disciples, such as doctors and statesmen, I doubt amount of knowledge, or technology changes things here also as we still have the same Dukkha verities and problems, such as getting enough money to support ones family, crime, work problems (although a labourer would also think about their job if they had a problem there, just as an engineer would).


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:12 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby jason c » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:19 am

hey cittasanto,
1. you become happier. later stream entry will eradicate any doubt.
2. the world is perfect to practice in
3 yes.
metta,
jason

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Kamran » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:30 pm

I agree that there is not a significant difference as far as the practice is concerned. I think it might take a bit more effort to get the mind settled down due to the different types of jobs and distractions in modern societies. In the balance between concentration and insight we may need to work more on concentration.
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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:43 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Other conditions today???

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:32 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Other conditions today???

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Kamran » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:15 pm

ground,

There are empirical truths and pragmatic truths.

If a teaching such as rebirth is put into practice and has positive results then it is regarded as a pragmatic truth :)
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Re: Other conditions today???

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Hanzze » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:34 am

Pulling away any ground is something Buddha did not teach as it is not possible. The ground will disappear naturally, but it needs to be developed firmly first. Otherwise one would simply close all doors for a long time and spend his existences with sap wood till it breaks. Than he would maximal run around and tell hardwood does not exist.

Buddha did not worry about much, but in regard of sap wood dealer and their ways, he was always very attend. For their conditions last for long times but still conditioned.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Kamran » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:34 am

Hi ground,

This reminds me of the story where a guy with an arrow shot through him first asks the doctor to explain what type of wood is the arrow made out of, what forest did the tree come from, who created the arrow, etc, before allowing the doctor to just remove the arrow :)

Here's an Empirical Truth:

With breath meditation you can reach "access concentration" and can use this serene state of mind to gain insight and perspective. You can verify it to be true in an empirical manner by trying it yourself.

The teaching on rebirth can't be verified in this manner. However, the purpose of Buddhist teachings is to provide tools people can use to end their suffering. The teaching on Rebirth is just one of the tools people can use.

If its an effective tool in ending suffering, then its a valid teaching from a Buddhist perspective. The goal is to just remove the arrow that is stuck in us, not to explain what the arrow is made from, or who made it :)
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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby ground » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:01 am

Never mind ;)

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:11 am

:focus:


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:12 am

Are there already other conditions for that today?
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Other conditions today???

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:22 am

As no other conditions have been shown which would adversely affect the Buddhas Teachings as existing, can this thread be closed now?
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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