How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby divine » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:56 am

I know this has been talked about before, and I am sorry if I break some forum rules by doing this, but as a recent stream enterer I am curious to know:

Are you or do you know anyone who believe to be, AND you too believe to be, a stream enterer?

Lets accept the claims - leave sceptisism and discussion out of it. :toast:

Maybe it is too much to ask people with current or prior mental issues to refrain themselves from contributing, as they off course could just as easily become a stream enterer, but remember the situation of the easily self-deluded nature of the human mind. And the many 'enlightened' beings dropping into the forum to declare that everyone here is wrong, wrong, wrong in their understanding of and approach to the dhamma. (thanks <-- lots of good sceptisism and discussion going on here!)

Once again, so to be sure everyone gets the picture: I hope for this thread to be without discussion, a simple "I know of three living individuals" will suffice, even if you happen to be one of them. And let it be up to the author of the post to define the criteria, since there are some different ones, but feel free to share your definition. I truly believe such a thread will be of benefit, so don't clutter it.

For the sake of usefulness and your own liberation, be truthful. :twothumbsup:

Edit: It seemes the moderators merged the two threads, this post was originally the first post in a thread I created in the Open Dhamma forum, but apparantly because the contributors didn't stay on topic it was no point in having two of the same. Like someone said: This thread should be called "Why isn't stream entry common", while my failed attempt was to create a pure thread to easily get some overview of how common it is - in Open Dhamma, not Modern Theravada. Just so it's said. Edit 3: Paint RED!

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One should believe it could be beneficial to post information about attainment in a thread like "How common is stream entry?", but I had no idea you are regularly vitnessing these claims and often there are something else behind it. You have been great giving only kind advice and healthy scepticism. Metta!

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:59 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:01 am

Over the past 44 years, I have known a number of individuals who are likely genuinely ariya, but the number of those who imagine they are ariya is far greater, and they tend to be far noisier.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby divine » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:06 am

Haha, I like this forum! I think I will fit right in, but then with another username, I already feel the pressure :hug:
One should believe it could be beneficial to post information about attainment in a thread like "How common is stream entry?", but I had no idea you are regularly vitnessing these claims and often there are something else behind it. You have been great giving only kind advice and healthy scepticism. Metta!

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby divine » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:18 am

Of course I can clarify! I understand why people don't talk about their stream entry, but if done anonymously there is some gain of doing it. And because I think I will find this forum useful I would like to keep hanging around, but not with the claim of beeing a stream enterer. You see?
One should believe it could be beneficial to post information about attainment in a thread like "How common is stream entry?", but I had no idea you are regularly vitnessing these claims and often there are something else behind it. You have been great giving only kind advice and healthy scepticism. Metta!

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:27 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby plwk » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:30 am

Great...just what we need...another sotapanna who doesn't know a forum's rules on double nicking.... :tongue:

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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:30 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby divine » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:32 am

Hehe, well then. Let's just see what happens.

Take care, strive for liberation, you are on the right track!
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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby Viscid » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:40 am

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:45 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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