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Do you wish to continue?

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:03 am

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby dhamma_newb » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:32 am

Tier three sucks. I do not wish to continue.
The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby James the Giant » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:48 am

Ooh chilling.
It reminds me of an Ian Banks novel where the Culture goes to war to stop various civilizations from running virtual, simulated hells, where good or bad deeds are punished or rewarded by the torment of digitized personalities after death.
And in a virtual world, there's nothing to stop someone being tortured to death, again and again and again.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Rui Sousa » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:22 am

Great satyre. But the question is very meaninguful. Do I wish to continue experiencing life? The honest answer is yes :(

Not proud of it anymore, but I really want to be alive and have a body and mind just as this one. And so I do.
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby daverupa » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:09 am

Is it possible to meditate while remaining on the menu screen? :stirthepot:
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:26 am

James the Giant wrote:Ooh chilling.
It reminds me of an Ian Banks novel where the Culture goes to war to stop various civilizations from running virtual, simulated hells, where good or bad deeds are punished or rewarded by the torment of digitized personalities after death.
And in a virtual world, there's nothing to stop someone being tortured to death, again and again and again.

There are other SF treatments, too. One you may have missed (especially since it was a debut novel) is The Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi. It opens in a prison in which the lead character is forced to endlessly play the Prisoner's Dilemma game (co-operate or defect?) against multiple copies of himself, or other beings, and dies painfully when he loses, only to be brought back to life. (It does get better, but also weirder.)
Greg Egan has also written some great stories about what might happen if we go silicon.

To answer the OP: Yes, of course. It may be crooked but (so far as I know) it's the only game in town. :tongue:

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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby suttametta » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:15 pm

There are many other worlds than this one. No need to cling to life here under such conditions. I, for one, am not afraid to die.
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:13 pm

Why exist? Just let me die already! Life has difficulties as it is, so why continue and pay for it?
I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care."
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby manas » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:27 pm

Rui Sousa wrote:Great satyre. But the question is very meaninguful. Do I wish to continue experiencing life? The honest answer is yes :(

Not proud of it anymore, but I really want to be alive and have a body and mind just as this one. And so I do.


I feel that way also. But remember that one can enter the stream that leads to Nibbana, and although bhava-tanha is not fully abandoned at that stage, at least we would have shut the door on reappearance in the animal, ghostly or hell realms, permanently. 8-) Let's enter the stream that leads inexorably to Nibbana... :meditate:

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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Sam Vara » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:59 pm

If I pay a big enough supplement, can they get me stream entry?
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:37 am

well that was interesting, thanks Tilt!
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Re: Do you wish to continue?

Postby Reductor » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:51 am

Surely such a service would be opt-in, right? Or opt-out at least.

Then it would be easier to make that decision when one is sure they'll live forever, thus avoiding such a miserable proposition when the inevitable happens. :tongue:
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