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paṭissati

Postby Sekha » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:43 am

does anyone know if it is correct to consider paṭissati as an intensified form of sati?
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Re: paṭissati

Postby Sekha » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:33 pm

I know what PTSD says, as it is never farther than a few clicks away, but I'm trying to get further.

the prefix "paṭi" is supposed to add the sense of "against, back to, in reverse direction, back again in return, to, towards, near".. which is not quite easy to decipher in this case

it seems to me that in this context it could mean "completely", just as in the preceding compound (refering here to the mhstp context: ‘atthi kāyo’ ti vā pan·assa sati paccupaṭṭhitā hoti, yāvadeva ñāṇa·mattāya paṭissati·mattāya): "paccupaṭṭhitā" which is paṭi+upaṭṭhitā and also seems to mean an intensified ("completely") form of upaṭṭhitā

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Re: paṭissati

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
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Re: paṭissati

Postby Sekha » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:46 pm

so, it seems, Bhante Anandajyoti would agree with my assumption

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Re: paṭissati

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:38 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: paṭissati

Postby Sekha » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:15 am

There must be at least a slight difference in meaning, but I guess it is not easy to evaluate what that word may have meant in its usual context 25 centuries ago.

What about the following line though:

if I compare with the words pada & paṭipada:
pada means "step, stride; footprint, trace, track, vestige, mark; a foot; footing, station, site, place;" so something somewhat static
paṭipada means "ingress, access, way, step, course, progress, practice, conduct;" something in motion

so its seems in that case, paṭi shifts slightly the meaning by adding the connotation of movement, evolution, progression, operation, being followed-up

if paṭi had the same meaning in paṭissati, it would probably shift the meaning to mean a followed-up sati, ie. operating, stable, steady sati, whereas just sati can also sometimes be weak and somewhat flickering

such an interpretation really seems to make sense in the context of mhstp (sati paccupaṭṭhitā hoti, yāvadeva ñāṇa·mattāya paṭissati·mattāya) since the purpose is indeed to get the sati to become strong and steady.
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