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Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:49 pm

I have a hard time figuring out what to eat while I'm out traveling the cities, or in general...
Is there simple foods / diet I can eat while i go to the temple during the day? (that maybe correspond with the buddhist ways??)
I never spend money on food, i always use food stamps, so money is not an issue, however I need to survive on 175 dollars a month.

Suggestions for someone who needs to stay healthy?
also - i am working on weight loss, to get rid of my obesity for my small stature of 5 foot.
Help !!
food and health is not my speicality!
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Alobha » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:00 pm

gabrielles wrote:I have a hard time figuring out what to eat while I'm out traveling the cities, or in general...
Is there simple foods / diet I can eat while i go to the temple during the day? (that maybe correspond with the buddhist ways??)
I never spend money on food, i always use food stamps, so money is not an issue, however I need to survive on 175 dollars a month.

Suggestions for someone who needs to stay healthy?
also - i am working on weight loss, to get rid of my obesity for my small stature of 5 foot.
Help !!
food and health is not my speicality!


Hey Gabrielles,
I had similar issue some time ago, take a look here.

Since you asked specifically for buddhist ways:
I found Bhikku Pesalas link very helpful, the Donapaka Sutta is a good read, too.
Eat more mindfully, you will get a better feeling when enough food has been taken, you will chew more and digest the food better and there is less of a chance to overeat.
Eating and food can thus be used as part of insight meditation. :smile:

Alternatively (or in addition): you may try to count calories for a while and try to stay below 2000kcal. This may give you a better idea on the energyintake of food products. the calories of fruits, vegetables and almost any food product can be looked up with a fast google search too.
As for loosing weight, some physical activity should accompany a change in eating behaviour, i.e. perhapy you can travel more by foot?

Is there simple foods / diet I can eat while i go to the temple during the day? (that maybe correspond with the buddhist ways??)

What do you mean by simple? Fruits and vegetables are pretty simple in my book. Paprika, carrots, stem cabbage, cucumber... see which vegetables are in season and cheap to get and you get the variety :) Same goes for fruits. Melon, bananas, apples,...
However, if you visit temples, why don't you just eat there? Usually much more food is offered than the monks can eat in a day and the temples are usually happy to share the food with visitors.

That's just some general advice. Are there any specific problems with food choices or eating behaviour you would like to address?

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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:15 pm

I love being active.
Thanks so much.

& Sometimes it is hard, the family that has fed me when I had nothing - they rarely have healthy foods and things. they eat pretty fatty to be honest. And Im so used to it, i find it hard not to over-eat when I am there.
and even shopping for groceries - i have a hard time affording enough food to last me a month.
However, if i only buy food when I need it i should be better off.
I do not have a refrigerator after all.

I travel by bike usually. But i dont mind walking.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Eccedustin » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:31 pm

What do you do for a living?
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:35 am

Well i was working at a grocery store.
But I left.

For various reasons.
And for weight loss.

Also - because I don't have any feelings for money, so i dont like to work to be honest. Especially for people who don't care about me personally, and that was a problem for me. One day I hope to find work that is more private and closed. (Behind the scenes)

I don't believe women should have to work anyway.I'm horrible i know.

I've been living fine since 2010 this way. And i'll be fine no matter what happens
I get shunned for my choices.
But who's happy? ME?

I also choose not to work for spiritual reasons.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:39 am

gabrielles wrote:I also choose not to work for spiritual reasons.

I would encourage you to re-examine this, Gabrielle. Unless you are ordained than there is nothing spiritual about choosing not to work if you don't have the financial capacity to support yourself. In fact, it can be argued that by relying on others to support you (either your relatives or your society) you are in breach of fundamental precepts of Buddhism. And without the basis sila your spiritual progress will be non-existent.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Eccedustin » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:53 pm

gabrielles wrote:Well i was working at a grocery store.
But I left.

For various reasons.
And for weight loss.

Also - because I don't have any feelings for money, so i dont like to work to be honest. Especially for people who don't care about me personally, and that was a problem for me. One day I hope to find work that is more private and closed. (Behind the scenes)

I don't believe women should have to work anyway.I'm horrible i know.

I've been living fine since 2010 this way. And i'll be fine no matter what happens
I get shunned for my choices.
But who's happy? ME?

I also choose not to work for spiritual reasons.



Unless you are a genuine Buddhist monk, Working is always a good idea. Just choose a good job that does no harm. I would also argue that food-stamps can't be considered a form of "offerings" as was the case for Monks in the past since Food-Stamps are a tax, which people are forced to pay. So it is quite different. It isn't based on generosity but rather welfare.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Alobha » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:42 pm

I guess Gabrielles will open a seperate thread about it when she is interested in advice on her working-situation.
Back to topic:

& Sometimes it is hard, the family that has fed me when I had nothing - they rarely have healthy foods and things. they eat pretty fatty to be honest. And Im so used to it, i find it hard not to over-eat when I am there.

I know that from my family. When there's all the unhealthy stuff around, it's easy to fall prey to habits and the desire for tastes. Mindful eating is a good way to overcome these desires, but avoiding these situations is a skillful means, too.


and even shopping for groceries - i have a hard time affording enough food to last me a month.
However, if i only buy food when I need it i should be better off.

You should eat every day. Since it sounds like you are very active already, just try to avoid fast food and sugary drinks. They both don't contain any ingredients which are suitable for your health and well-being. Before you buy food, ask yourself, whether buying this food is suitable for your health and well-being or not. Ask yourself whether it is skillful or unskillful to buy this or that. This helps me at times.

And if just restraining from actions is getting you stressed, bring your thoughts to the fruits of non-greed and how beautiful a mental quality like non-greed is. If you are tempted to follow your desires and greed for unhealthy food, consider that you could alternatively feed your quality of non-greed. bring up how wonderful the quality of non-greed is, because contentness arises when craving ceases. ;)

I do not have a refrigerator after all.

Do you have access to any device for cooking food?

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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:00 pm

Thanks everyone.
I get food stamps - but only use them when i absolutely have to.
I usually get offered food though. I never usually buy it.
I often find myself purchasing water with foodstamps though.

I def am not working anytime soon . But thanks for the advice, but i refuse to be a part of this horrible society. :/
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby befriend » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:08 pm

working is good for the soul. benamin franking said when the men had nothing to do all day and did not work they were glibb and irritable. but when they did work they were merry. theres nothing like the feeling after a hard days work, where you helped someone else and working physical work makes the body spirit mind feel good. working is also good at building patience determination, compassion, tons of good qualities.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Eccedustin » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:33 pm

gabrielles wrote:Thanks everyone.
I get food stamps - but only use them when i absolutely have to.
I usually get offered food though. I never usually buy it.
I often find myself purchasing water with foodstamps though.

I def am not working anytime soon . But thanks for the advice, but i refuse to be a part of this horrible society. :/


Why is it that you think that not working will remove you from being part of society? The people who give you food work and earn money to buy it, and the food-stamps come from tax dollars from people working. So, either way, you are not making a difference by not working. The only difference that would be made would be to get a job that helps society, not living off of society without contributing.

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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:13 pm

Good point by Eccedustin. If one is receiving food stamps, then one is certainly a part of this society. And someone pays for those food stamps; i.e., working people who pay taxes.

No matter what we receive either we paid for it or someone else did. It is how society works. Not enjoying or wanting to work is not a good reason to ordain, imo. The wholesome desire (chandha) to ordain should be with a genuine interest in practicing the Dhamma and instructing others in the Dhamma (which is also a work; a livelihood).
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Eccedustin » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:46 am

Hello again...
Buddha did not want to isolate himself from society, nor did he want to think that he was above society. Siddhartha took a leave of society in order to achieve enlightenment, however once achieving his goal he quickly made it a point to integrate himself back into society in order to affect society. Siddhartha had a great impact on society because he did it from the inside. He got down and dirty and rolled his sleeves up and did hard work by amassing followers and teaching his dhamma. He went from house to house and taught the people, he did this often for people who gave him food. This was, in a way, his occupation. People would offer him food and, in return, he would have dinner with them and share with them his teachings. It was a quid pro quo sort of a deal. He, of course, shared his teachings to everyone even if they could not offer food also. Siddhartha the Buddha was never someone who would have accepted something that was somehow a "tax", as food-stamps are today. The Buddha believed that this defeated the whole purpose, because offerings are supposed to be offered. That is the whole point behind offerings. That is the most important aspect.




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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:40 pm

I didn't choose to live in america.
My mom's vagina did. Just saying.

I follow my heart when it comes to inner happiness.
Just because I am born into a world with a bunch of rules, jobs , business, and non-equality,, doesn't mean i have to make myself suffer like everyone else does.
Whens the last time you find someone who loooves going to work 24/7?
I'm living proof that working for the "society" does not pay off.
They government and the world created money, i am not in need of it.

THe only reason i had to get food stamps is because of this society.
Not my fault

I can choose to invest pointless money to empty material objects (includes homes, belongings, electronic s and more)

THEY HAVE NO VALUE. In essense they are there for no reason.
This is how I feel about money.
That is why my body won't literally let me heart move me to work work work in a world where i work till i cant walk no more. I'm having a great lifestyle . a easy and spiritually rewarding LIFESTYLE . That none of you have felt apparently?

I meditated and received holy energies via the OM MANE PADME HUM of avalokiteshvara. The hand of avalokiteshvara touched my back and filled my heart with wisdom! That experience among others with various other buddhas (i am tantric!!)

have changed my life, and filled in a void. The answer to life, and how to be happy.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby poto » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:14 pm

gabrielles wrote:I def am not working anytime soon . But thanks for the advice, but i refuse to be a part of this horrible society. :/


Our society of today is much improved over what it was even a century ago. Today even the poorest among us in the developed world live better than kings did a few centuries ago. However, if you truly wish to not be a part of it, then I suggest you go on retreat. Take with you a sack of rice and beans and go into the wilderness. There you will not be bothered by society.

gabrielles wrote:I didn't choose to live in america.
My mom's vagina did. Just saying.


You should be happy about this. You were blessed with such good karma as not to be born in the gutter of an undeveloped nation, starving and impoverished. Yet, you take this fortunate birth of yours for granted and perhaps even view it as a burden... that is saddening.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Chi » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:43 am

gabrielles wrote:I didn't choose to live in america.
My mom's vagina did. Just saying.


You have no idea how lucky you are to be born in the United States. I used to also have a somewhat negative perspective on my home country, but after having traveled to other parts of the world, I have recognized how grateful I am that all the food, shelter, clothing, and medicine I could ever need is literally usually right around the corner.

It's all in your mind Gabrielle. Anger and hatred is a good driving force to get one started on the path, but it's gotta be seen for what it is. Opinions are what keep you from being happy.

gabrielles wrote:
They government and the world created money, i am not in need of it.

THe only reason i had to get food stamps is because of this society.
Not my fault


This is the type of laziness that needs to be uprooted in your practice. Are you not grateful that you get to eat for free? Other people work hard so that you can eat... does this ever cross your mind? The best thing you can do is to practice meditation intensely and to liberate yourself. That way, you can help others and alleviate the debt you owe to society.

gabrielles wrote:That is why my body won't literally let me heart move me to work work work in a world where i work till i cant walk no more. I'm having a great lifestyle . a easy and spiritually rewarding LIFESTYLE . That none of you have felt apparently?


If you are having an easy lifestyle, you are probably not practicing "spirituality" in anyway that is conducive to liberation. Make sure not to confuse laziness and spirituality. They are two completely different animals, although the spiritual life can at times seem to be lazy. Spiritual life is to uproot anger and laziness and confusion, not to enforce these mind states. Karma is a very powerful force, and the intentions, speech, and actions (or non-actions) you put into this world will also manifest themselves as results in your life. It may seem all great at this time, but ingratitude and laziness and anger are bound to bring terrible results.

I hope you have the opportunity to practice meditation and see how the mind is working.

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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby gabrielles » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:39 pm

my lifestyle is not easy. I've learned to live on the land because i am homeless. since 2010.

This argument isnt answering my questions. I really appreciate the people who did inbox me.
I go through more than any female should go through.
Ive had to do things i didnt want to do just to eat, so believe me i treasure everytime i can eat.

I am not lazy.

I practice the dharma. All i asked is something to help me out while I am getting myself together.
In 2 years - I will be living in a home , where as i will work to support my wife.

I appreciate everything ive been through. I know what its like to never have money.

Ive found happiness beyond money. When the time comes and i can repay my girlfriend for saving my life, I will be helping her and contributing to HER life and the debt i owe to society will be paid. I love her, so much. Thanks to those again who are sweet (:
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby nameless » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:42 am

Just a very rough guide as I'm no expert, but normally I would eat a main of carbohydrates (rice, pasta, bread etc.) with a protein dish (other than meat, tofu and eggs are also ok), and a vegetable dish. Probably not a great balanced diet but no specific deficiencies either I think, as long as you don't eat the same thing day after day.

At some point I realized the amount I eat boiled down to mostly habit and my own misconceptions. When I wanted to eat burgers for example, I would have 2 for a meal, just because that was what I always had. But really 1 was enough. The 'fullness' sort of settles in a little after I eat (I don't know how others experience 'fullness') so if I'm still eating at the point I feel full I'm eating more than I need. I suppose you can try things out for yourself.
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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby corrine » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:46 pm

First, I truly think that work is a vital part of life. I am now retired but because I believe in the importance of good work, I am a full time volunteer at a library. Work gives life purpose and, when we retire, volunteer work adds a positive dimension to our lives. It allows us to give something back. So I am a big believer in the idea that all humans need to work.

As to a simple, inexpensive diet - I pretty much live on big bags of carrots, mixed greens, fruits of all kinds, corn, whole grain breads, whole grain cereals, peanut butter (I am able to get the kind that you grind yourself at the store so you can buy only as much as you need, there are no additional ingredients and it is much cheaper), brown rice etc. All of these things can be purchased for very little money. Heck, the rice is only about 49 cents a pound when I purchase it from the big bins. However, if one has no cooking facilities, then one can stick to raw fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, peanut butter and the like. If you buy only what you need, refrigeration is not an issue.

As to the weight thing. I am small - 5feet four inches tall, and in my old age I have found that I cannot eat more than 1400 calories without gaining weight. But I can eat a lot of fruit and veggies and even breads and cereals without reaching that total.

The most valuable advice I would give anyone who does not want to work unless the situation is ideal, would be to say that nothing in this life is ideal. We take a situation and make the best of it. If we look at a work issue as not a negative, but an opportunity to learn and adjust and accept, we can grow from it. I have worked my entire life and, at times, had to work in very unpleasant circumstances, but from my present vantage point, some of those situations were the very ones that helped me to grow and mature.

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Re: Simple Diet please?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:01 am

corrine wrote:First, I truly think that work is a vital part of life. I am now retired but because I believe in the importance of good work, I am a full time volunteer at a library. Work gives life purpose and, when we retire, volunteer work adds a positive dimension to our lives. It allows us to give something back. So I am a big believer in the idea that all humans need to work.

As to a simple, inexpensive diet - I pretty much live on big bags of carrots, mixed greens, fruits of all kinds, corn, whole grain breads, whole grain cereals, peanut butter (I am able to get the kind that you grind yourself at the store so you can buy only as much as you need, there are no additional ingredients and it is much cheaper), brown rice etc. All of these things can be purchased for very little money. Heck, the rice is only about 49 cents a pound when I purchase it from the big bins. However, if one has no cooking facilities, then one can stick to raw fruits and veggies, whole grain breads, peanut butter and the like. If you buy only what you need, refrigeration is not an issue.

As to the weight thing. I am small - 5feet four inches tall, and in my old age I have found that I cannot eat more than 1400 calories without gaining weight. But I can eat a lot of fruit and veggies and even breads and cereals without reaching that total.

The most valuable advice I would give anyone who does not want to work unless the situation is ideal, would be to say that nothing in this life is ideal. We take a situation and make the best of it. If we look at a work issue as not a negative, but an opportunity to learn and adjust and accept, we can grow from it. I have worked my entire life and, at times, had to work in very unpleasant circumstances, but from my present vantage point, some of those situations were the very ones that helped me to grow and mature.

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