Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

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Postby manas » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:06 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby robertk » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:55 am

He was beaten to death on the spot, right in the center of Bangkok.
But the image was a hindu one and nothing to do with Buddhism. Still some Thai's think it has some special powers ..

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby gavesako » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:02 pm

If you want to know how the Thais generally relate to religious symbols and brahmanical-animist ceremonies which are believed to influence important national issues, see this article:
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandal ... litics.pdf

The destruction of the Brahma shrine was put direct connection with some political events that occurred afterwards. It was a bad omen, in other words.
:thinking:
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby Ben » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:59 pm

Hmmm...
That is interesting, Bhante. It reminds me (somewhat) of the influence of the State, Sangha and the Laity in Burma.
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby gavesako » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:04 pm

It seems the KnowingBuddha group have started an educational campaign by leaving comments on websites which market products disrespectful of Buddhism, such as this "Buddha Chair":

http://www.damngeeky.com/2012/06/07/ser ... l-feeling/

http://www.pantip.com/cafe/religious/to ... 31746.html
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby Viscid » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:17 am

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby gavesako » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:09 pm

Venerable K. Sri Dhammananda Maha Thera

Are Buddhists Idol Worshippers?
Buddhists are not idol worshippers but ideal worshippers.


"The Buddha images are nothing more than symbolic representations of His great qualities. It is not unnatural that the deep respect for the Buddha should be expressed in some of the finest and most beautiful forms of art and sculpture the world has ever known. It is difficult to understand why some people look down on those who pay respect to images which represent holy religious teachers.
The calm and serene image of the Buddha has been a common concept of ideal beauty. The Buddha's image is the most precious, common asset of Asian cultures. Without the image of the Buddha, where can we find a serene, radiant and spiritually emancipated personality?"

http://www.budsas.org/ebud/whatbudbeliev/209.htm

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Here is a nice visual presentation about the history of Buddha images in Thailand:

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/his ... aiart.html
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby gavesako » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:27 am

Yes, it is the people who design and sell them who are now going to be targeted by the Knowing Buddha information campaign -- or perhaps we could call it a "public pressure" campaign. If lots of them leave comments (preferable polite, but there are bound to be some bad words mixed in as well) on the websites concerned, it might make the owners think twice about what they are doing.
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby Zach » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:04 pm

Whoever see's the Image of a Buddha or a Stupa will have an indestructible potential for accomplishing enlightenment. The use of them in pop culture is a good thing ! :woohoo:

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:29 pm

Bhante, cultural arrogance and insensitivity is shared by all.

The Thai language comments on the "damngeeky" page are most probebly some of the most profane so we can't really use language skills as an excuse.

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby gavesako » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:46 pm

Perhaps this article explaining the Thai tendency to tribalism or "Whose group do you belong to?" might also throw some light on this topic:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... your-daddy

And another article from the same author mentions:

I read that the Republican Party of Texas called for a ban on teaching critical thinking skills in the state's schools because of its "focus on behaviour modification" that has "the purpose of challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority". ...
In an article on what Thailand thinks, the report stated ''the conservative Thai establishment has grown increasingly hostile to the 'Western' values symbolised by America, partly in response to growing pressure from ordinary people for greater democracy and freedom of speech.''


http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... e-restless
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Re: Respect for Buddha images and offensive use of symbols

Postby cooran » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:53 am

Hello Ajahn,

This picture seems appropriate for your thread:
https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#! ... =1&theater

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