Did Buddha sleep or did he not sleep?
Webu sayadaw never slept, he was an arahant.
Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
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Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
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Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
Where do you get these questions from?
According to the pali it could be interpreted as slept or rested, either way he was in a state which could be called sleep from an outside perspective, but that doesn't really matter for our immediate practice here and now.
According to the pali it could be interpreted as slept or rested, either way he was in a state which could be called sleep from an outside perspective, but that doesn't really matter for our immediate practice here and now.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
Yes, he did.villkorkarma wrote:Webu sayadaw never slept.
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Greetings villkorkarma,
Thanks.
Metta,
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And given this isn't the first instance of possible misinterpretation or misrepresentation on your part, it really would be appreciated if you could endeavour to provide direct quotations or links to substantiate such comments where possible.Ben wrote:Yes, he did.villkorkarma wrote:Webu sayadaw never slept.
Thanks.
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Retro.
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Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
Sources here:
From his biography on Pariyatti:
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From The Clock of Vipassana Has Struck: The Teachings and Writings of Sayagyi U Ba Khin:
From his biography on Pariyatti:
..it is said that he never slept.
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From The Clock of Vipassana Has Struck: The Teachings and Writings of Sayagyi U Ba Khin:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gUN3o9 ... gX3U&hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;He was reputed to be an arahant (fully enlightened one), and it is said that he never slept.
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.
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Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
One of the early disputes was whether an arahant could have a wet dream; it was assumed that sleeping occurred in the natural course of events for arahants, and was therefore a null point. How does it come to have importance now?
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
Thanks Nevinbodom wrote:Sources here:
From his biography on Pariyatti:
..it is said that he never slept.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www. ... gY7x1FZoeQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From The Clock of Vipassana Has Struck: The Teachings and Writings of Sayagyi U Ba Khin:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gUN3o9 ... gX3U&hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;He was reputed to be an arahant (fully enlightened one), and it is said that he never slept.
However much I revere and respect Sayagi U Ba Khin and teachers within my own tradition, I think on this point may have been concocted as a result of misunderstanding, mistranslation or hagiography. Secondary sources, inc. biographical information on highly esteemed monks, need to be taken with a grain of salt from time to time.
Webu Sayadaw, from his compilation of discourses in Way to Ultimate Calm, and from John Coleman's Quiet Mind was a life-long practitioner of the dhutanga of not ever lying down, not even to sleep. He did sleep, but did so the sitting position. That is not to say that he slept regularly nor that it may have been of an altogether different qualitative experience but sleep he did.
kind regards,
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Greetings,
Like Dave, I would like to know what significance this matter holds to villkorkarma.
Metta,
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For what it's worth, that was my understanding too.Ben wrote:Webu Sayadaw, from his compilation of discourses in Way to Ultimate Calm, and from John Coleman's Quiet Mind was a life-long practitioner of the dhutanga of not ever lying down, not even to sleep. He did sleep, but did so the sitting position. That is not to say that he slept regularly nor that it may have been of an altogether different qualitative experience but sleep he did.
Like Dave, I would like to know what significance this matter holds to villkorkarma.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Did Buddha sleep or didnt he sleep at all?
Ben wrote: Thanks Nevin
However much I revere and respect Sayagi U Ba Khin and teachers within my own tradition, I think on this point may have been concocted as a result of misunderstanding, mistranslation or hagiography. Secondary sources, inc. biographical information on highly esteemed monks, need to be taken with a grain of salt from time to time.
Webu Sayadaw, from his compilation of discourses in Way to Ultimate Calm, and from John Coleman's Quiet Mind was a life-long practitioner of the dhutanga of not ever lying down, not even to sleep. He did sleep, but did so the sitting position. That is not to say that he slept regularly nor that it may have been of an altogether different qualitative experience but sleep he did.
kind regards,
Ben
Thanks Ben
Just to clarify I didnt post the sources to substantiate villakormas claim that the Sayadaw never slept but merely to show where exactly he may have come across this idea.
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.
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No problem, Nevin!
with metta,
Ben
with metta,
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
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The Buddha did sleep.villkorkarma wrote:Did Buddha sleep or did he not sleep?
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'The enlightened one, done with sensual pleasures, free from acquisitions and with a cool heart, always sleeps happily. When attachments are chopped off, the heart is carefree, and the mind is at peace, and the serene one sleeps well.’ (SN I,212).
I am sure it was only a few hours at the most and with perfect awareness (he was the samma-sam-buddha after all).
And I think most of us find that we can function well on less sleep the more we progress and the more we meditate. Meditation is not sleep, but does provide a relaxed state of mind which probably 'makes up' for some time, allowing less sleeping time.
And since the Buddha did sleep, well all the more reason the rest of us need it too . . .
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Thank you for all You are all very kindly
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )