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[Enlightenment0106]

HI people i have been crawling around the forums for quite awhile but i have looked at other forums too and this seems to be the most active one . . It has been awhile since i have this taught about opening a topic or if not a guide about how to quit masturbation as i myself have been a victim and i understand how it affects alot of our buddhist lifes. So i need as much help as possiuble and i hope you guys can provide me as many as possible buddhist references about lust and sufferings to help me finish the guide asap and i will post at this forum. PS: which subforum should i post my guide in ? sorry i am new here . And i need as much discussion as possible thank you 。　amituofo


PS: JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. Just share your views on masturbation

http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; This provides just a slight idea of how i am going to write my guide , provides quite good info

[Durt_Dawg]

I've been there homes, I think it simply takes to time to lessen and eventually transcend this habit. I was pretty attached to watching alot of porn and spankin da monkey. But I think the most important thing that helped to over come this sensual greed is by having a sense of guilt and wrongdoing, I've seen youtube clips and Buddhist blogs telling people not to feel "guilty" cause it's a Christian thing to do. However, when I googled Chinese Buddhist resources, people tend to take the guilt/sinful approach when it comes to choking the chicken.

If we don't even think there is anything wrong with our delusional and dukkah causing habits, then how can we over come it? Anyway, don't worry about relapsing and letting Mrs Palmer and her five daughters take control sometimes, these habits are developed by us over countless rebirth in samsara, so just takes time.

Just have a healthy sense of shame homes, no need to think about castration or anything lol!

[Enlightenment0106]

Yeah dude i get what your saying. Btw, i have completely stopped whanking after 3 months of hard work. Well i dont know if you got me right, what i meant was writing a guide about masturbation and approaching it in a more mature and buddhist way. like you said, instead of forcing it , i want to write a guide by stopping masturbation with the will, i have been there, and i know forcing it doesnt help, i , too, have seen the chinese way of stopping it, telling how bad it is to masturbate. it probably will help, but it doesnt solve the root of the problem. to stop masturbation, looking at it in a buddhism or even a scientific way, Will is the most needed thing . and i believe by training people to have the willpower, the determination, to stop masturbating , is better than telling them the bad karma they are going to get by masturbating .

PS for my writing , had to rush it .

[Durt_Dawg]

Yeah dude i get what your saying. Btw, i have completely stopped whanking after 3 months of hard work. Well i dont know if you got me right, what i meant was writing a guide about masturbation and approaching it in a more mature and buddhist way. like you said, instead of forcing it , i want to write a guide by stopping masturbation with the will, i have been there, and i know forcing it doesnt help, i , too, have seen the chinese way of stopping it, telling how bad it is to masturbate. it probably will help, but it doesnt solve the root of the problem. to stop masturbation, looking at it in a buddhism or even a scientific way, Will is the most needed thing . and i believe by training people to have the willpower, the determination, to stop masturbating , is better than telling them the bad karma they are going to get by masturbating .

PS for my writing , had to rush it .

Sadly you are right, it's hard to use the Karma argument in the West. People are way too clever these days for that, you say one thing I am sure they will refute you with 100 evidance from scientific and medical sources over the internet. It's hard not to have all those backings cause sex sells... But sounds like you got the determination and desire to help people wid this! So you got my spiritual support homeboy!!!!

By the way, maybe you can google for net sources that talks about Brain plasticity, these neural research scientifically proves the impermanence of our Brain structure, especially when it comes to sexual stimulation and habits. The causes that triggers our lust and are actively changed by the amount of porn and imagery we are subject to. So I suppose thats a good way to counter the argument of "it's only natural".

[Enlightenment0106]

Yeah dude i get what your saying. Btw, i have completely stopped whanking after 3 months of hard work. Well i dont know if you got me right, what i meant was writing a guide about masturbation and approaching it in a more mature and buddhist way. like you said, instead of forcing it , i want to write a guide by stopping masturbation with the will, i have been there, and i know forcing it doesnt help, i , too, have seen the chinese way of stopping it, telling how bad it is to masturbate. it probably will help, but it doesnt solve the root of the problem. to stop masturbation, looking at it in a buddhism or even a scientific way, Will is the most needed thing . and i believe by training people to have the willpower, the determination, to stop masturbating , is better than telling them the bad karma they are going to get by masturbating .

PS for my writing , had to rush it .

Sadly you are right, it's hard to use the Karma argument in the West. People are way too clever these days for that, you say one thing I am sure they will refute you with 100 evidance from scientific and medical sources over the internet. It's hard not to have all those backings cause sex sells... But sounds like you got the determination and desire to help people wid this! So you got my spiritual support homeboy!!!!

By the way, maybe you can google for net sources that talks about Brain plasticity, these neural research scientifically proves the impermanence of our Brain structure, especially when it comes to sexual stimulation and habits. The causes that triggers our lust and are actively changed by the amount of porn and imagery we are subject to. So I suppose thats a good way to counter the argument of "it's only natural".

Yeah everyone in the west and now even asians are just answering with " hey, whanking is a part of life, its just normal , hormones are uncontrollable". The fact is, its partly true , but its scientifically proven that the health benefits of masturbating is minimal, it reduces the chances of getting prostate cancer, but the chances of getting it in the first place is already beyond little. So i am thinking of a sciencetific and buddhism way of solving this problem, cause everyone in the world believe in science more than their own religion nowadays. And i am awfullly glad that you understand , as half of the world, including my buds, don't realise how porn can actually poison their minds. I agree to some extent that infrequent watching doesnt cause any long-term probnlems , but addictions normally lead to frequent usage gradually, and it certainly is a problem. Anyways, just to sum up everthing i just said, if science can prove masturbating is healthy, sceince can also prove that we can live a healthy life without it , and its safer to not mastuirbate , as we buddhists should believe that there is the presence of karma, whether it is scientifically proigven or not.

[Enlightenment0106]

Need more discussions going around:D As i need to make sure that the facts are as accurate as possible in my guide

[Viscid]

You two sound like the exact same person.

So you got my spiritual support homeboy!!!!

This sounds like some bad 80s teen movie impersonation.

[Enlightenment0106]

You two sound like the exact same person.

So you got my spiritual support homeboy!!!!

This sounds like some bad 80s teen movie impersonation.

Lol. GET ! http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; btw people i found this archive from some dead forum but it provides quite good info but just not detailed enough.

[Durt_Dawg]

Keep up da good work homes, although don't try to convince too many people with the Dharma too early, cause you will end up suffering more when you don't have enough good affinities, conditions and wisdom.

I don't know wat ya causes and conditions are, but I was fortunate enough to meet a very good Sangha when I discovered Buddhism, so I was able to dettach myself from my old environment and old friends with bad influence. Although it doesn't mean i's become one of dem boring ass hermit or nothing, still a true G working in the civil engineering industry, just left all the silly things behind. So yeah, hopefully if ya able to, reduce as much negative influences as you can. It's easier to be a bad thug than a good thug these days

[Enlightenment0106]

Keep up da good work homes, although don't try to convince too many people with the Dharma too early, cause you will end up suffering more when you don't have enough good affinities, conditions and wisdom.

I don't know wat ya causes and conditions are, but I was fortunate enough to meet a very good Sangha when I discovered Buddhism, so I was able to dettach myself from my old environment and old friends with bad influence. Although it doesn't mean i's become one of dem boring ass hermit or nothing, still a true G working in the civil engineering industry, just left all the silly things behind. So yeah, hopefully if ya able to, reduce as much negative influences as you can. It's easier to be a bad thug than a good thug these days

Yeah, thats what i have been wondering alot these days, but thats the reason i am not writing it all by myself, and i have bad influences too. the best example is the internet, its the most useful source, but is the worse too. I dont think i have the wisdom or even the experience with the Dharma to really associate it with addiciton, but its good to have ya around . You really can read minds man. For me , the only source to study buddhism is from a monk posting videos online on youtube, his quite widely recognized though, so i trust him fully. And thats what i think us buddhists should do. We should start trusting Buddhism teaching instead of doubting it . And i do neeed alot of your help in the guide that i will be posting in a month time. I am an easily influenced person, i wasnt so much to porn actrually, but duriung my teenage years i met bad people, starterd watching porn and whanking. Went clubbing. Stopped all of that because of youtube. Understood more about buddhism thanks to youtube. so hey, look at the bright side, the internet is a savior too.

PS: you have an awesome job

25 now . still wanting to get that degree, working part-time at mcdonalds but hey, having a happy life man

[Mr Man]

If you practice "letting go" masturbation will cease.

[Enlightenment0106]

If you practice "letting go" masturbation will cease.

i love this post
Would like to hear more from ya '

[manas]

Hi vicimba,

by practicing the Noble Eightfold Path, one gradually gets more control over one's thoughts, speech and actions. Keeping the five basic precepts for laypersons helps alot too (they are implicit in the Path itself, but we do need to pay particular attention to them as a set).

I followed the link you provided, and thought I had better bring something to your attention:

Question:
I am a male who wishes to kick a long habit of masturbation. My efforts have resulted in cutting down from daily to weekly. Still, the habit continues. I find I am most vulnerable to fall into the act when my I am not fully conscious, i.e. when I am going to sleep or upon waking up.

What would you suggest to prevent my thoughts from becoming lustful and for kicking my undesirable habit altogether.

Answer:

I am going to start off by asking you why is it undesirable? Believe it or not, Buddhism doesn’t condemn masturbation, unless you’re a monk, which I doubt is the case.

The physical aspect of masturbation is harmless. That being said, that may not be the case where karma is concerned. Desire (more specifically in this case, lust), as the Four Noble Truths tell us, leads to suffering. A Buddhist’s main desire is to eliminate suffering.

This is a very debatable topic, and I hope someone will address it in the comment section below, but in my opinion, the real question is what goes on in your mind while you’re doing it. If you can do it without lust, then my Buddhist answer would be to go ahead with it.

Sounds like the person doing the answering had good intentions etc, but they misunderstood something. Regarding the part I bolded (I will be a bit explicit here): if a person is masturbating with their body in arousal, then lust is already present. The pleasurable sensation leads directly to delight in that sensation (ie to desire / lust). He was however correct in that it's not mandatory for a layman to give up masturbation; but it's still a good idea to at least be heading in that direction (which you said is your intention). So my Buddhist answer would not be 'to go ahead with it' but rather to work towards bringing it under increasing control, and, eventually, to complete elimination. But much patience & self-forgiveness will be required along the way, because the overcoming of lust is long-term work for most.

[Enlightenment0106]

Hi vicimba,

by practicing the Noble Eightfold Path, one gradually gets more control over one's thoughts, speech and actions. Keeping the five basic precepts for laypersons helps alot too (they are implicit in the Path itself, but we do need to pay particular attention to them as a set).

I followed the link you provided, and thought I had better bring something to your attention:

Question:
I am a male who wishes to kick a long habit of masturbation. My efforts have resulted in cutting down from daily to weekly. Still, the habit continues. I find I am most vulnerable to fall into the act when my I am not fully conscious, i.e. when I am going to sleep or upon waking up.

What would you suggest to prevent my thoughts from becoming lustful and for kicking my undesirable habit altogether.

Answer:

I am going to start off by asking you why is it undesirable? Believe it or not, Buddhism doesn’t condemn masturbation, unless you’re a monk, which I doubt is the case.

The physical aspect of masturbation is harmless. That being said, that may not be the case where karma is concerned. Desire (more specifically in this case, lust), as the Four Noble Truths tell us, leads to suffering. A Buddhist’s main desire is to eliminate suffering.

This is a very debatable topic, and I hope someone will address it in the comment section below, but in my opinion, the real question is what goes on in your mind while you’re doing it. If you can do it without lust, then my Buddhist answer would be to go ahead with it.

Sounds like the person doing the answering had good intentions etc, but they misunderstood something. Regarding the part I bolded (I will be a bit explicit here): if a person is masturbating with their body in arousal, then lust is already present. The pleasurable sensation leads directly to delight in that sensation (ie to desire / lust). He was however correct in that it's not mandatory for a layman to give up masturbation; but it's still a good idea to at least be heading in that direction (which you said is your intention). So my Buddhist answer would not be 'to go ahead with it' but rather to work towards bringing it under increasing control, and, eventually, to complete elimination. But much patience & self-forgiveness will be required along the way, because the overcoming of lust is long-term work for most.

Thanks for your advice and well you basically opened up my mind I always tauhgt that masturbation without lust is the way to go . But it didnt work. As you said, theres still pleasure behind it. I would really be honoured if you would read and commend on my guide once its out . For the tiem beeing , i hope this forum is not dead yet, but would like to thank the moderator from merging this two topics as it provides quite additional and good information for me

[Enlightenment0106]

Like the topic states, after doing some research , i found out that people who masturbate are most likely to have 34 percent less chances of getting prostate cancer. Well , heres the irony, an average men has only a 16 percent chance of getting prostate cancer in his life, and thats fairly low. Furthurmore, 98 percent of men who get prostate cancer doesnt die, and quite a number of them recover without treatment at all. Masturbation reduces high sex drive, reducess stress, puts your into sleep easily, and so on.

But heres the question, budhhism states that lust causes suffering, which i believe in too. A normal person, after masturbating, always feels empty and guilt, and this causes other physcological problems, and they are eager to quit after that. This is definately scientifically proven, as our brain finds out that masturbating isnt real sex after ejaculation. There are many ways to reduce prostate cancer, like aerobic excercices, reducing it through diet and so on. And through buddhism we can actually reduce our high sex drive, reduces our stress, and of course food aids and meditation helps sleeping too, So Is masturbating needed in our lives? for me my answer is no , how bout yours?

Sources:
http://www.askmen.com/sports/health_400 ... ancer.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.google.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Please note that the facts and figures above are all from trustable sources and are sciencetifically proven. The numbers may not be completely accurate but are all near. Statistics may not be a trustable source but it does prove something.