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http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13214" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did some research on masturbation and this is what i got
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Vlcimba wrote:A normal person, after masturbating, always feels empty and guilt, and this causes other physcological problems, and they are eager to quit after that.
A normal person? And you know this how?
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Vlcimba wrote:http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13214

Did some research on masturbation and this is what i got
I merged your "The science and karma of masturbation" into this thread. We do not need numerous threads covering the same ground.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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tiltbillings wrote:
Vlcimba wrote:A normal person, after masturbating, always feels empty and guilt, and this causes other physcological problems, and they are eager to quit after that.
A normal person? And you know this how?
Some random sources like yahoo answers and theres actually a website for it . will check that out for you.

Ps: could not find it , but i remember scrolling through it somewhere
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Would need more help getting the facts in guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikulamanasikara" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Vlcimba wrote:Would need more help getting the facts in guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikulamanasikara" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is the meditation way of stopping it
Have you read through this thread? I suggest you start here:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p185112" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and continue reading.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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It is good to speak openly about an "issue" that is burdensome to all serious practicioners... especially if they spend a longer time for example on retreats or even more if they ordain and live a celibate life.

It is often discussed how hard it is to overcome the craving for food on such occassions and through my time in thailand there was happily quite an open atmosphere to talk to an elderly monk about the other BIG sensual dukkha, sexual lust, that one experiences in a celibate community.

I appreciate your posting OP and hope a lot will find guidance by it.
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I have gotten rid of my previous post here. I will just say that overcoming sexual lust is a long-term challenge for most, but one we must eventually face up to if we desire to gain liberation from Samsara.

with metta.
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I once heard this saying, forgot where.

The definition of puritanism: the fear that someone somewhere could have fun ;)

Sexuality is an essential part of our existence. To overcome lust if you're celibate or to transform it into something more wholesome if you live in a relationship so you don't cheat on your partner... well it's not that easy for some if not most. So it's great to read in this forum about this topic even if it's just that profane porn level. Actually I found the neuroscience aspect in those videos very interesting.
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What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
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I am joining this endeavor, so I might as well put it into writing here. Porn annihilates my mindfulness, so it's been obvious that I need to give it up. I'm also giving up caffeine while I'm at it, as it seems to cause heedlessness in me. :anjali:
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twelph wrote:I am joining this endeavor, so I might as well put it into writing here. Porn annihilates my mindfulness, so it's been obvious that I need to give it up. I'm also giving up caffeine while I'm at it, as it seems to cause heedlessness in me. :anjali:
Hi twelph,

When you struggle come back to this thread as there is lots of good advice given here. I wish you the best and am sending my support.

I saw this article on Cracked.com and thought it was a more lighthearted approach to this serious problem (which is important to have I've come to find).

http://www.cracked.com/article_15725_th ... e-you.html

Another good resource: http://www.reuniting.info/forum/213

Take care!
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Thanks for the link dhamma_newb, interesting article!

Edit: Mana's post responding to me disappeared for some reason.
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tiltbillings wrote:
Vlcimba wrote:Would need more help getting the facts in guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikulamanasikara" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is the meditation way of stopping it
Have you read through this thread? I suggest you start here:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p185112" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and continue reading.
Ok i havent have much time but i have started writing the guide based on all the good comments that i have read , and i have to say its one of the best written comments that i have scrolled through in a forum ( maybe because its a religious forum and heavily moderated). So well yeah thanks for the recommendation sir . :anjali: :tongue:
Durt_Dawg wrote:Vlcimba, I actually reckon you should drop all deez research on masty prevention for now, instead you should concentrate on ya university and Buddhist practices. It's easy ta fall into da trap of "I gotta to help others!!!!" when you just begain ta learn da Dharma! You are actually using it as an defensive mechanism against ya own insecurities! You'll probably end up with alot more vexations and suffering than you started with.

What would you do when ya friends refute your attempts at teaching them by just laugh dat ya "just can't get any"?

Wisdom comes before rash compassion know wat im sayin?!

So there is no Buddhism support at ya university at all?! I thought if it's a uni, there would be hippies and liberal arty types and there bought be some buddhist group around huh?
I geddit man. But this is something i have always wanted to be involved in.I have people in the uni too to discuss buddhist practices, but they are all basically Newbies when it comes to buddhism, so yeah not much useful discussion going around. Personally, i believe that being a buddhist is not only about buddhist practices, but is how you can aply it to your daily life, how you help people with buddhism , and thats what i plan to do . Anyways, thanks for the advice dude your one of the best forum people i have bumped into dude. And btw, If they dont listen, then its their problem anyways ,as once i heard the monk quote somehting from the buddha, it basically meant that if you attempt to advice someone, it is okay if they dont listen, as you already tried, its not your loss, and it will at least create an impression to them. So, :anjali: :jumping: If you dont mind, can i just point out something: I feel that buddhism holds a very simple concept, and that is living the best out of life, without doing any bad deeds, and thats what Buddha has been trying to tell us . I may be wrong , but thats certainly the simple way of looking at it for me
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It's interesting to see how my dream last night was much more intense and vivid in a sexual nature. The dream stayed with me the entire day, and my awareness strengthened considerably each time that I noticed my mind thinking about it. An aspect that was quite difficult to cope with was the fact that every time my awareness strengthened in relation to the dream, the mental images in my head also became much more pronounced. The next time it happens I am going to attempt broadening my awareness to include a neutral object at the same time, as I feel like too much of my concentration is focused upon recollection. As I write this, getting these thoughts organized seems to help considerably, though I still have to be truthful in admitting that it's rather difficult.

I'm at about ten days now, as I had started a few days before I posted to this thread. Something else bothering me, is that in making this goal I feel like I have become aware of the strong aversion I have to my desire for porn. It's hard shifting my thoughts from the aversion to my porn habits, to being able to see the benefits and joy of renunciation. Going to keep at it.
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twelph wrote: I'm at about ten days now, as I had started a few days before I posted to this thread. Something else bothering me, is that in making this goal I feel like I have become aware of the strong aversion I have to my desire for porn. It's hard shifting my thoughts from the aversion to my porn habits, to being able to see the benefits and joy of renunciation. Going to keep at it.
Seeing the aversion is good thing. Just take it easy. Be kind with yourself. Outside of becoming ariya, you are not going to get rid of sexual feelings. The question becomes what do you do with them, what kind of relationship will you have with them. Even though sexual feelings are naught more than a natural part of being a biological being, you can make them an enemy and hate yourself for having them and all the confliction that goes with that.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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