reflection wrote: But anyway, you might want to consider that vitakka/vicara in context of jhana may not mean discursive thoughts, but the more subtle process of bringing and sustaining attention that lies beneath it.
I have considered it, I just don't happen to see it that way.
Vitakka and Vicara in Jhana practice
reflection wrote:I don't get your part of the post with the x and y stuff, could you elaborate?
That's just where you fill in the blanks. I'm not categorically saying what I think should be in place of the x or y... that's for people to determine according to their own experience, reason and such.
I just know that for myself, they're not necessarily the same. In other words, it's not a case that I should always regard thoughts in the same way. How I regard them should depend on my current goal.