foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:24 pm

johnny wrote:please convince me lotus doesn't matter! sincerely. i don't like lotus! however i would need a posture that is as conducive too wakefulness since lotus helps with that a lot.

Ok
it doesn't say how to cross your legs,
The passage could also mean sat on a sofa

Pallaṅkaṃ ābhujitvā, ujuṃ kāyaṃ paṇidhāya,
They sit mastering the crossed legged posture, intending to keep their body upright,


pallaṅka: a sofa; a coach; a cross-legged sitting.
there is never the suggestion to sit full lotus in the canon, and the sugestion is to meditators who are mendicants who had the robe & bowl as their only possessions, not a rucksack full of things, so having a bench of some kind would of been a luxury.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby johnny » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:45 pm

Cittasanto wrote:
johnny wrote:please convince me lotus doesn't matter! sincerely. i don't like lotus! however i would need a posture that is as conducive too wakefulness since lotus helps with that a lot.

Ok
it doesn't say how to cross your legs,
The passage could also mean sat on a sofa

Pallaṅkaṃ ābhujitvā, ujuṃ kāyaṃ paṇidhāya,
They sit mastering the crossed legged posture, intending to keep their body upright,


pallaṅka: a sofa; a coach; a cross-legged sitting.
there is never the suggestion to sit full lotus in the canon, and the sugestion is to meditators who are mendicants who had the robe & bowl as their only possessions, not a rucksack full of things, so having a bench of some kind would of been a luxury.



sweet, thank you sir! no more lotus for me! this is really important as i'm on my feet all day and my knees ache very bad from it!
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:11 pm

johnny wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:
johnny wrote:please convince me lotus doesn't matter! sincerely. i don't like lotus! however i would need a posture that is as conducive too wakefulness since lotus helps with that a lot.

Ok
it doesn't say how to cross your legs,
The passage could also mean sat on a sofa

Pallaṅkaṃ ābhujitvā, ujuṃ kāyaṃ paṇidhāya,
They sit mastering the crossed legged posture, intending to keep their body upright,


pallaṅka: a sofa; a coach; a cross-legged sitting.
there is never the suggestion to sit full lotus in the canon, and the sugestion is to meditators who are mendicants who had the robe & bowl as their only possessions, not a rucksack full of things, so having a bench of some kind would of been a luxury.



sweet, thank you sir! no more lotus for me! this is really important as i'm on my feet all day and my knees ache very bad from it!

Try doing some stretching of the leg muscles, this eases my knee pain after a day at work, but I have a muscle tension issues in the legs, but may be of benefit.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby dharmagoat » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:31 pm

TravisGM wrote:
johnny wrote:Your name and avatar make me happy

I have to agree :D

Aw, thanks guys. I will try to live up to this in my posts.

I find that the Burmese position is quite adequate to provide that sense of stability that the lotus position is known for. When I am unaccustomed to sitting, such as after a long break, I find it useful to place support under the knees when they do not naturally come to rest on the ground.
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby johnny » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:58 am

dharmagoat wrote:
TravisGM wrote:
johnny wrote:Your name and avatar make me happy

I have to agree :D

Aw, thanks guys. I will try to live up to this in my posts.

I find that the Burmese position is quite adequate to provide that sense of stability that the lotus position is known for. When I am unaccustomed to sitting, such as after a long break, I find it useful to place support under the knees when they do not naturally come to rest on the ground.


yeah you better live up too the great reputation of the dharma goats! lol :smile: good advice. i know it's totally just peer pressure, but the sitting posture like that is important too me so that's a good choice that will be almost the same without hurting me! like smoking those electronic cigarettes too hang with the cool people who smoke the real ones ha ha. actually not at all like that but a funny that came too mind since i used the cliche "peer pressure".
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby johnny » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:24 pm

TO EVERYBODY

thanks so much for all the advice! i entered jhana in burmese posture so i can forget lotus! whoo! healthy knees here i come!

oddly enough i had trouble sitting in a chair. it's purely mental though, my body and mind are just so used too lotus that they don't want to be in meditation mode when sitting in a chair. i could have just kept at it and i'm sure it would have happened, but burmese posture is so close too lotus that it worked beautifully!

my left foot/leg still fell asleep but since there was zero wrenching or unnatural twisting of my knee, i'm sure this is nothing problematic, and i could still move it, it was just a normal leg asleep kind of feeling.
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby dharmagoat » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:08 pm

Good to hear, johnny.

Sitting on/against a firm cushion may help lessen the loss of feeling in you legs. For firmness in a cushion, you can't do better that buckwheat.
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby johnny » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:24 am

dharmagoat wrote:Good to hear, johnny.

Sitting on/against a firm cushion may help lessen the loss of feeling in you legs. For firmness in a cushion, you can't do better that buckwheat.



i'm poor and can't afford a cushion. i sit on pillow(s) folded up and tucked under a blanket. could you explain how too position pillows with my body too lesson loss of feeling?
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby dharmagoat » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:16 am

johnny wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:Sitting on/against a firm cushion may help lessen the loss of feeling in you legs. For firmness in a cushion, you can't do better that buckwheat.

i'm poor and can't afford a cushion. i sit on pillow(s) folded up and tucked under a blanket. could you explain how too position pillows with my body too lesson loss of feeling?

I was using an old sack partly filled with dead leaves at one point, it worked very well but made a mess as the the leaves crumbled. Blankets work alright, but don't hold a shape very well. What might work best for you is to fill a pillow case with laundry or a crumpled blanket. Just experiment for yourself. The important thing is that it shouldn't be too compressible.

I have always had difficulty with my legs losing feeling after only about twenty minutes of sitting. One way that I have reduced this is to sit far forward on a firm cushion in such a way that the cushion forms a wedge behind the point where the pressure normally occurs. I don't know exactly why this works, but it seems to better distribute the pressure around the area of the sciatic nerve, which is most likely what is causing the problem.
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Re: foot falling asleep too the point that i can't move it???

Postby johnny » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:21 am

dharmagoat wrote:
johnny wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:Sitting on/against a firm cushion may help lessen the loss of feeling in you legs. For firmness in a cushion, you can't do better that buckwheat.

i'm poor and can't afford a cushion. i sit on pillow(s) folded up and tucked under a blanket. could you explain how too position pillows with my body too lesson loss of feeling?

I was using an old sack partly filled with dead leaves at one point, it worked very well but made a mess as the the leaves crumbled. Blankets work alright, but don't hold a shape very well. What might work best for you is to fill a pillow case with laundry or a crumpled blanket. Just experiment for yourself. The important thing is that it shouldn't be too compressible.

I have always had difficulty with my legs losing feeling after only about twenty minutes of sitting. One way that I have reduced this is to sit far forward on a firm cushion in such a way that the cushion forms a wedge behind the point where the pressure normally occurs. I don't know exactly why this works, but it seems to better distribute the pressure around the area of the sciatic nerve, which is most likely what is causing the problem.


cool thanks very much señor cabra! i will give this a shot and see what works. i hadn't thought of filling a pillow case with laundry, that's a really good idea which would give me a dedicated cushion that would be the same every time as opposed too my pillow/blanket pile which is always different.
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
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