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Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:34 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby greggorious » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:54 pm

Never read that passage before, But Buddha isn't exactly modest is he? lol
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby daverupa » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:56 pm

It's a formulaic phrase, not likely to be what was actually spoken.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Way~Farer » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:58 am

"Permanent" and "eternal" don't have the same meaning. "Permanent" is "something which endures through time". "Eternal" is outside of, or beyond, time.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:44 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Judai » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:25 am

The 3rd truth is not the end of suffering if it was then their would be no need for the 4th truth.
Again just because i tell you nirvana is the end of suffering,doesnt mean you have ended suffering,you simply now know their is an end to suffering,BUT you still dont know exactly how to end suffering.now at the 4th noble truth the path yo end it is taught,once at the completion of this path you will end suffering.the 4th truth is the end of suffering,the 3rd truth is me just telling nirvana exists:)

You stated whether not the Buddha exists after death was not answered in the pali canon and it belongs to the questions the Buddha would not answer and deemed irrelavant.
My reply:this is incorrect sir and is a common misconception.you are refering to the poison arrow teachings,where the Buddha didnt answer the questions but left them undeclared.the Buddha actually lefr theses questions undeclared to CERTAIN people in other suttas to other people he actualyy answers these questions

Example:the world is eternal the world is not eternal he DECLARES the answer in the digha nikaya the agganna sutta.
After death a buddha exists,after death a buddha does not exist,
This is answered in the Alagaddupama sutta 22 under misrepresetation of the Buddha,
The Buddha states that his monks and non followers have wrongly accused the Buddha of teaching that nibbana is the none existance of life,the Buddha states it is wrong to think that yheir isnr a contimuance of an existing being

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:35 am

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Judai » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:02 am

Sorry im on my phone it just posts when it wantstoo.the Buddha has always refuted the idea of anhilationism and nhilism,and has stated that their is always the continuation of an living being(existing being).
MN sandaka sutta 1 of the 4 ways to negate the holy life is to hold the view that after death the living being does not exist,to think the Lord Buddha doesnt exist after para nibbana would negate living the holy life,hence the question is answered sir.The Buddha exists after death.

Heres anouther funny one the Buddha actually never said the soul didnt exist
MN culamalunkya sutta the question the Buddha left undeclared was:the soul is the same as the Body,the soul is one thing the body he never said the soul didnt exist,he only declared what was anatta not-self,or not the self,the jiva was left undeclared or was it?look up what a soul was to indian philospopher it is not the self,it is the continuation of an existing being(continuation of life)

Lastly as far as the comparison between Buddha and yhe mono idea of god,i have shown shown dverything when it comes to Buddha being the supreme being,all knowing,all seeing,all loving,all pure,deathless/immortal/and yes Permanantly fixed(suffering is impermanant,happiness and nivana are permenant)

The only thing u hold against me is the creator aspect oh well 5 out of 6 my case is made.
For the comparrison of Buddhas true reality to the mono god idea read previous statements.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:14 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:16 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:12 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Durt_Dawg » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:52 pm

Judai, the 5 views dat always obstruct ordinary people are:

1. view that attaches to the body as real.
2. view that attaches to the extremes (such as the universe has a limit, or the universe that doesn't have a limit)
3. wrong views
4. view that attaches to the precepts
5. view that attaches to once's own views

which one of deez views do ya have homes?

Know wat im sayin?

You also claim alot of what "the Buddha said". I take it you must be one of dem ordained Dharma teacher?!!
Lets b fwendssss!!!!

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:10 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:29 am

I've given up disbelieving in God. Does that make me a born-again agnostic? :jumping:
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