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Boxing and karma

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Boxing and karma

Postby Stiphan » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:20 pm

Just out of curiousity, do boxers create negative karma when they play their sport?

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Re: Boxing and karma

Postby Individual » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:53 pm

I think so. Violence is regarded as unwholesome.

From playing their sport, boxers get cauliflower ear:
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They lose teeth:
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Worst of all, they have brain damage... And they are often exploited financially by their managers. In some cases, especially unregulated MMA, a person can even die from such activities. Then there is also the organized crime involved in running boxing rackets, where the matches are fixed.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:03 pm

Inflicting violence is bad, but in boxing it is consensual. There are some drawbacks to boxing such as the above, but there are drawbacks in most livelihoods and corruption in most livelihoods.

The intent is to "entertain" though it is not entertainment for me, personally. :smile:
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Re: Boxing and karma

Postby cooran » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:50 pm

Hello all,

In order to be able to engage in a boxing match with monetary prize or not, one first has to have a lifestyle where the training is about how to inflict the maximum damage on an oponent, how to continue attacking a weakening opponent, how to rejoice in his injury and show no mercy - all for the money or prestige. It is not done out of kindness to 'entertain' people. There would also be the kamma of encouraging unwholesome mindstates in those watching. All involved create bad results for themselves - the promoters, the owners of the venue, the fighters and those who watch and enjoy.

Evil kamma is made whenever one supports and encourages the evil deeds of others. Fox-hunting, fishing, horse-racing, boxing, etc., all encourage violence of one kind or another. Football, rugby, ice-hockey, and other contact sports also involve incidental violence and injury, but that is not their aim, so one will not make evil kamma unless one approves of violent tactics contrary to the spirit of fair play.
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197. And then there are certain respected samanas and brahmanas who, living on the food offered out' of faith (in kamma and its results), are given to watching (entertainment) that is a stumbling block to the attainment of morality. And what are such entertainments? They are: dancing, singing, music, shows, recitations, hand-clapping, brass-instrument-playing, drum-playing, art exhibitions, playing with an iron ball, bamboo raising games, rituals of washing the bones of the dead, elephant-fights, horse-fights, buffalo-fights, bull-fights, goat-fights, sheep-fights, cock-fights, quail-fights, fighting with quarter-staffs, boxing, wrestling, military tattoos, military reviews, route-marches and troop-movements. A bhikkhu abstains from watching (entertainments) that is a stumbling block to the attainment of morality. This also is one of the precepts of his morality.
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Re: Boxing and karma

Postby cooran » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:31 pm

The whole point of boxing is to punch and inflict pain and suffering sufficient to knock the opponent out of the contest.

This is not the main aim of other sports.

All drama and cinema encourage illusion, and most competing for the box office are based on crime, sex, or delusion of one sort or another.

But boxings' main aim is to inflict damage and pain on the opponent in order to overcome him. This cannot be done without continual unwholesome mindstates.

Those who support it, and those who make money directly or indirectly from it accumulate unwholesome kamma.

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Re: Boxing and karma

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:37 am

buddhism's conection with martial arts is mostly myth though, at least in china* . in japan they had warrior monks that fought monks from other sects over temples, land and political issues.. not very buddhist at all. not too sure about other buddhist cultures.


*MA for health reasons the earliest i can date is Sun Lutang (孫祿堂, 1861-1932), the founder of sun taichi. the earliest conection of bodhidharma with shaolin kung fu is a novel writen post the boxer rebellion.
also qigong IMO is not a martial art but more akin to yoga so i'm not counting that
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