fig tree wrote:Walking meditation.
marc108 wrote:can you describe your meditation technique?
johnny wrote: immediately start having thoughts that are basically the beginnings of dreams
johnny wrote:i've heard all the standard stuff and tried it all, NOTHING WORKS.
so, any crazy ideas?
cooran wrote:Hello johnny,
Have you read this book? Particularly the first three chapters:
The Jhanas in Theravada Buddhist Meditation by Henepola Gunaratana
• 1. Introduction
o The Doctrinal Context of Jhana
o Etymology of Jhana
o Jhana and Samadhi
• 2. The Preparation for Jhana
o The Moral Foundation for Jhana
o The Good Friend and the Subject of Meditation
o Choosing a Suitable Dwelling
• 3. The First Jhana and its Factors
o The Abandoning of the Hindrances
o The Factors of the First Jhana
o Perfecting the First Jhana
• 4. The Higher Jhanas
o The Higher Fine-material Jhanas
o The Immaterial Jhanas
o The Jhanas and Rebirth
• 5. Jhanas and the Supramundane
o The Way of Wisdom
o The Two Vehicles
o Supramundane Jhana
o The Jhanic Level of the Path and Fruit
• 6. Jhana and the Noble Disciples
o Seven Types of Disciples
o Jhana and the Arahant
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el351.html
santa100 wrote:try counting the breaths from 1 to 10, and then back to 1 to 10, 1 to 10,...then let go of the counting once you're fully awake and distracted thougths have settled down..
bodom wrote:If nothing is working and you have exhausted all methods and you are still nodding then just go take a nap. Listen to your body. The more you fight the more tired you will be.
marc108 wrote:johnny wrote: immediately start having thoughts that are basically the beginnings of dreams
how are you handling those thoughts?
James the Giant wrote:johnny wrote:i've heard all the standard stuff and tried it all, NOTHING WORKS.
so, any crazy ideas?
I once drank 3 cups of coffee before I sat. It was... interesting. I meditated, but it was NOT conducive to jhana! More like a raging torrent of mental activity and physical restlessness. Good fodder for observing and being with agitation.
Who was it who recommended meditating at the top of a ladder, to prevent sleepiness?
A lot of the monks in Ajahn Mun's biography meditated right at the edge of tall cliffs to keep them sharp. Some still fell asleep, as is told in the book, and fell and died.
But seriously, you can't cultivate jhana if you haven't conquered the hindrance of Sloth and Torpor. It's one of the famous Five Hindrances, as you know.
I don't have any other good suggestions.
James the Giant wrote:A lot of the monks in Ajahn Mun's biography meditated right at the edge of tall cliffs to keep them sharp. Some still fell asleep, as is told in the book, and fell and died.
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