caffeine. obviously accepted by most.
what else would be okay without crossing a line?
i fall asleep so badly! caffeine actually works for me usually, but i was wondering what else is there?
chemical meditation enhancement
chemical meditation enhancement
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
soma of the vedas comes too mind. the rishis were experienced meditators and raved about the usefulness of this chemical. although debate rages about what it was. so much that it could have been a stimulant that would work for buddhist meditation, or a hallucinogen that would be very much a precept violation and totally a hindrance too meditative development in the buddhist tradition (but perfect for meeting gods in vedic tradition!).
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
are you tired and falling asleep during the day or only during meditation?
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
i have plenty of energy during the day. but if i sit down and get too relaxed i sometimes can doze. but it's in no way abnormal. i don't get drowsy while driving or eating or anything like that. just during inactivity and mental relaxation, so really pretty standard. basically if the mental conditions for sleep are present, i start too drift. i fall asleep almost immediately at night when i lay down in bed and always have.marc108 wrote:are you tired and falling asleep during the day or only during meditation?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement
Meditate standing up or if sitting with your eyes wide open in a brightly lit room.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
eyes open in a brightly lit room does not work, thanks though. standing up may, i'll give it a shot. can one enter jhana while standing?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
also, what about nicotine? i don't use it, but it is a stimulant, no? does it help keep one awake?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
nicotene is physically addictive and carcinogenic, so i wouldn't advise that. any legal chemicals you use to fight sloth and torpor will eventually become ineffective as your body adapts to maintain homeostasis. i think chemicals like caffeine are only useful if you are physically fatigued, which is sounds like you are not. i think it would be useful for you to study up on and explore the hindrance in depth and learn how to deal with it.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
marc108 wrote:nicotene is physically addictive and carcinogenic, so i wouldn't advise that. any legal chemicals you use to fight sloth and torpor will eventually become ineffective as your body adapts to maintain homeostasis. i think chemicals like caffeine are only useful if you are physically fatigued, which is sounds like you are not. i think it would be useful for you to study up on and explore the hindrance in depth and learn how to deal with it.
i use caffeine only for meditation and for nothing else. and then only on my days off when i have time to really get a serious session in, so i don't think i will develop a tolerance. three doses of caffeine a week shouldn't be enough for a tolerance, right?
does nicotine alone cause cancer? i think it's mainly because it is usually ingested through smoking and all the chemicals in the leaves, and the smoke damage too the lungs that are the problem. if someone just used those e cigarettes they would be fine probably, or maybe not, i don't know.
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
3 doses of caffeine per week shouldnt be enough to cause physiological dependance.johnny wrote:marc108 wrote:nicotene is physically addictive and carcinogenic, so i wouldn't advise that. any legal chemicals you use to fight sloth and torpor will eventually become ineffective as your body adapts to maintain homeostasis. i think chemicals like caffeine are only useful if you are physically fatigued, which is sounds like you are not. i think it would be useful for you to study up on and explore the hindrance in depth and learn how to deal with it.
i use caffeine only for meditation and for nothing else. and then only on my days off when i have time to really get a serious session in, so i don't think i will develop a tolerance. three doses of caffeine a week shouldn't be enough for a tolerance, right?
does nicotine alone cause cancer? i think it's mainly because it is usually ingested through smoking and all the chemicals in the leaves, and the smoke damage too the lungs that are the problem. if someone just used those e cigarettes they would be fine probably, or maybe not, i don't know.
nicotine, itself, is cancer causing through numerous mechanisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
okay thanks. i'll stay away from it then.marc108 wrote:3 doses of caffeine per week shouldnt be enough to cause physiological dependance.johnny wrote:marc108 wrote:nicotene is physically addictive and carcinogenic, so i wouldn't advise that. any legal chemicals you use to fight sloth and torpor will eventually become ineffective as your body adapts to maintain homeostasis. i think chemicals like caffeine are only useful if you are physically fatigued, which is sounds like you are not. i think it would be useful for you to study up on and explore the hindrance in depth and learn how to deal with it.
i use caffeine only for meditation and for nothing else. and then only on my days off when i have time to really get a serious session in, so i don't think i will develop a tolerance. three doses of caffeine a week shouldn't be enough for a tolerance, right?
does nicotine alone cause cancer? i think it's mainly because it is usually ingested through smoking and all the chemicals in the leaves, and the smoke damage too the lungs that are the problem. if someone just used those e cigarettes they would be fine probably, or maybe not, i don't know.
nicotine, itself, is cancer causing through numerous mechanisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
Hi Johnny,
You might as well look at your lifestyle. Ensure you are getting enough sleep, eating healthy food and regular exercise. These are 'chemical meditation enhancements' which are routinely overlooked.
I would also look at how acute your sleepiness is during meditation. 'Sloth and torpor' is one of the five mental hindrances that manifests for all meditators. And it will manifest for you despite any lifestyle changes you make. Best to use the strategies as suggested to you above and to read the following work by Nyanaponika Thera.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el026.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wishing you all the best,
Ben
You might as well look at your lifestyle. Ensure you are getting enough sleep, eating healthy food and regular exercise. These are 'chemical meditation enhancements' which are routinely overlooked.
I would also look at how acute your sleepiness is during meditation. 'Sloth and torpor' is one of the five mental hindrances that manifests for all meditators. And it will manifest for you despite any lifestyle changes you make. Best to use the strategies as suggested to you above and to read the following work by Nyanaponika Thera.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el026.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wishing you all the best,
Ben
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement
Hi johnny,johnny wrote: i fall asleep so badly! caffeine actually works for me usually, but i was wondering what else is there?
You'll be less likely to fall asleep if you try meditating outdoors with eyes open ( with gaze slightly downwards towards the nose) ...or else do some walking meditation.
I prefer both of these to meditating indoors.
with kind wishes,
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement
Greetings,
Metta,
Retro.
Guarana, taurine, gingko biloba, ginseng etc.johnny wrote:what else would be okay without crossing a line?
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: chemical meditation enhancement
thanks! have these worked for you? does ginseng have a lot of bad side effects?retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Guarana, taurine, gingko biloba, ginseng etc.johnny wrote:what else would be okay without crossing a line?
Metta,
Retro.
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five