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General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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johnny
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chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:11 am

caffeine. obviously accepted by most.

what else would be okay without crossing a line?

i fall asleep so badly! caffeine actually works for me usually, but i was wondering what else is there?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:31 am

soma of the vedas comes too mind. the rishis were experienced meditators and raved about the usefulness of this chemical. although debate rages about what it was. so much that it could have been a stimulant that would work for buddhist meditation, or a hallucinogen that would be very much a precept violation and totally a hindrance too meditative development in the buddhist tradition (but perfect for meeting gods in vedic tradition!).
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby marc108 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:12 am

are you tired and falling asleep during the day or only during meditation?
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:33 am

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:48 am

Meditate standing up or if sitting with your eyes wide open in a brightly lit room.

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:28 pm

eyes open in a brightly lit room does not work, thanks though. standing up may, i'll give it a shot. can one enter jhana while standing?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:18 pm

also, what about nicotine? i don't use it, but it is a stimulant, no? does it help keep one awake?
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby marc108 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:30 pm

nicotene is physically addictive and carcinogenic, so i wouldn't advise that. any legal chemicals you use to fight sloth and torpor will eventually become ineffective as your body adapts to maintain homeostasis. i think chemicals like caffeine are only useful if you are physically fatigued, which is sounds like you are not. i think it would be useful for you to study up on and explore the hindrance in depth and learn how to deal with it.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:41 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby marc108 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:32 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:43 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby Ben » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:08 pm

Hi Johnny,
You might as well look at your lifestyle. Ensure you are getting enough sleep, eating healthy food and regular exercise. These are 'chemical meditation enhancements' which are routinely overlooked.
I would also look at how acute your sleepiness is during meditation. 'Sloth and torpor' is one of the five mental hindrances that manifests for all meditators. And it will manifest for you despite any lifestyle changes you make. Best to use the strategies as suggested to you above and to read the following work by Nyanaponika Thera.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el026.html
Wishing you all the best,

Ben
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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:10 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:47 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:09 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: chemical meditation enhancement

Postby johnny » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:17 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five


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