Three Unwholesome Roots--WHAT?

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Three Unwholesome Roots--WHAT?

Postby Son » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:40 am

Okay, these three terms are generally translated as "greed," "hatred," and, "delusion."

Sometimes greed is taken to mean craving, then ill-will, and furthermore ignorance in place of delusion. Ignorance is part of the chain of origination. So is craving. Some sources dictate that the translated roots "greed" and "delusion" are actually synonymous with the "craving" link of the chain, the "attachment" link of the chain, or the "ignorance" link of the chain and so forth. All these words seem so jumbled up to me.

I've always assumed the correct roots to be greed, hatred, and delusion. Now, happening upon these misgivings about translation and examination, once again, I've come to a confusing impasse. What is the contextual translation of greed, hatred, and delusion according to the text? And, do these terms correspond to terms in the chain (ergo, ignorance, craving, and attachment/clinging), do they not, or do some of them? I would really be thankful for some clarification on this, because I can't find any. I have a thorough understanding of dependent origination and the aggregates, as well as the elements and so forth. But I'm confused how terminologically the three unwholesome roots should be translated with respect to these words.



ignorance gives rise to volitional formations,
consciousness,
name and form,
sense bases,
contact,
sensation (+perception),
craving,
clinging,
birth,
suffering and dukkha.
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Re: Three Unwholesome Roots--WHAT?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:22 am

Greetings Son,

I think it's best to avoid assuming that because a mindstate is applicable to one of the twelve nidanas, that it therefore doesn't apply to another. They are not mutually exclusive in this regard.

The treatment of dependent origination in Classical Theravada is complex, so I won't comment beyond that for now.

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Re: Three Unwholesome Roots--WHAT?

Postby Son » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:25 am

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Re: Three Unwholesome Roots--WHAT?

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