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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Buddhism and religion

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Buddhism and religion

Postby Ben » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:44 pm

Hi Craig

I am reminded of a conversation with a chaplain at a christian school I worked at a couple of years ago. He told me, eventually, that his experience of god is a feeling. I was gobsmacked.

I just want to point out that transcendence is not vedana (feeling/sensation). Transcendence manifests when certain cittas arise. Certainly, while we work towards liberation on the path, vedanas co-arise with cittas. However, when we become sotapanna, and again when we experience the phala and magga cittas associated with sakadagami, anagami and arahatta, when Nibbana becomes the object of those cittas, vedanas are not present for the duration of those expereinces.

While we are veering off-topic it was good to explore this aspect of transcendence.
Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Buddhism and religion

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Re: Buddhism and religion

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:58 pm

The problem with conflating the obvious failures of religious institutions with the human religious impulse itself is that it misses far to much. I think Gabe's comments above are very much to the point. The religious impulse is a far broader experience than participation in religious institutions. Also, what humans want, and strive for in countless ways, is transcendence, the inchoate recognition that our "self" is constantly under attack by the universe (becuase the self really is not what it thinks it is). To protect ourself from the insecurity of its true natue, we need to align ourselves with something bigger, stronger, be it our parents, our family, our clan, our sports team, our country, or a god, and we try put our self aside with alcohol, sex, adrenaline, drugs, distractions. I think in a very real sense, we all are religious.

Given that I do think that institutional religions is not without its virtues, but it is also all too eassily suseptible to corruption and should be criticized strongly for that.

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Re: Buddhism and religion

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Re: Buddhism and religion

Postby kc2dpt » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:55 am

On reflection, it seems to me the OP questions could probably be shortened to:

a] How do you define "religion" or "religious"?
b] How do you feel approaching Buddhism as a religion, or taking a religious approach to Buddhism is helpful? how is it harmful?
- Peter


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Re: Buddhism and religion

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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