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anybody? is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

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anybody? is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:18 am

i've always wondered this. i did zen meditation for seven years with zero results other than peace of mind and greater mental control, still good results, but i digress. i learned theravada jhana meditation four years ago and have in the past year learned how to (shakily) enter the first jhana. is it possible too do so with eyes open or is that the point of the zen eyes open method? too keep you out of jhana? all zen literature i've read does not recommend or teach jhana, nor have i ever met a zen teacher or monk/nun who teaches it, so that's my guess: eyes open = no jhana. does anyone know?

EDIT: this is in no way a rip on zen. zen is awesome. i think i was trying too practice too much from books and didn't have enough instruction from actual teachers.
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The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby marc108 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:43 am

i would imagine it would make meditation in general, let alone jhana, pretty difficult... but i think it would be possible, especially with some experience. try it.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:08 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby Son » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:52 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
Until it blooms above.

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Re: anybody? is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby James the Giant » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:11 am

I used to do a lot of walking meditation, (with eyes open of course) and got strong bliss for hours on end. It wasn't jhana but it was DAMN nice.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:50 am

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The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:49 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Postby Son » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:56 pm

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
Until it blooms above.

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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:46 am

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Postby Son » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:38 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
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Re: is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:28 am

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:24 am

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Postby Son » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:41 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
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Re: anybody? is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby greggorious » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:54 pm

You didn't really practice Zen if you didn't have a teacher. Zen empahsises having a teacher, more than any other school of Buddhism. Plus going to the zendo is of vital imporatance, more important than reading books, knowing about Jhana's etc. Zazen is about stripping away, not about gain. It's not about finding some blissed out state of samadhi, but seeing into your true nature, only then, can one attain enlightenment.
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Postby Son » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:14 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
Until it blooms above.

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Re: anybody? is it possible too enter jhana with your eyes open?

Postby johnny » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:18 am

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five


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