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The Satipatthana Sutta a forgery?

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Postby piotr » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:55 am

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This cuts short some of Polak's speculations in “Reexaming Jhāna” aswell. It seems to me that most of what he calls ‘internal discrepancies’ in Sutta-piṭaka are easily solved if one strives for the simplest explainations while examining the text. I often have a feeling that Ockham's razor is put aside when I read hypotheses of some scholars…
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Postby mikenz66 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:35 pm

Hi Dave,

Since I've looked at a number of papers and haven't seen this Upanashadic claim about Satipatthana in particular, I still find this an odd statement, but of course I have not read everything available.
Just one quote would be useful...

Of course, I'm quite aware of discussions about Upanashadic references in the suttas, but you seem to be talking about Upanashadic ideas replacing what the Buddha actually taught, right?


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Postby daverupa » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:38 pm

In Vetter, a discussion of this nature begins on page 65; there, the various kasina meditations are mapped onto an Upanisadic cosmology, and interestingly may also be connected to the arupa attainments.

I meant only to remark on what I felt was an interesting line of inquiry, but I haven't got the books lined up for citations and argumentation, I haven't got page numbers and passages, I have no theoretical outline to construct and support against orthodox challenge.

Despite this nebulousness, I yet wanted to indicate something I found interesting and possible, but a strong argument which I am willing to present and defend is thesis-sized material, not forum post-sized material. In any event, I apologize for the use of the term "gesticulate", as it has received ridicule, and censure thereby.

So; moving on.

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Postby mikenz66 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:06 pm

Thanks Dave,

I had not intention of being argumentative, and I don't mind gesticulating... :hello:

These various books and papers are certainly interesting (though often they seem overly theoretical, and uniformed by practical experience). I'm certainly aware of these discussions of where exactly the various techniques came from, but mostly, as in the example you just quoted, more to do with jhana techniques, rather than satipatthana.

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Postby Sylvester » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:25 am

Hi Dave.

Pericopes not required. Any sutta citation would be fine. AN 4.35 perhaps?

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