details on sitting meditation?

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details on sitting meditation?

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:52 am

i think i understand daily practice, but sitting meditation in the vipassana tradition usually uses such methods as mindfulness of breathing and what-not, right? but in vipassana we do not want too enter jhana. is this correct? if this is correct, what do we do? just keep mindful of whatever arises? are there stages?

is there any where in the pali canon that this method is taught?
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Re: details on sitting meditation?

Postby marc108 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:02 am

i believe, that the idea is to not wait until Jhana is developed to begin the practice of Satipatthana, not to forgo Jhana altogether.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
"Then there is the case where a monk has developed tranquillity preceded by insight. As he develops tranquillity preceded by insight, the path is born. He follows that path, develops it, pursues it. As he follows the path, developing it & pursuing it — his fetters are abandoned, his obsessions destroyed.



Vipassana Jhanas: The Path Of Freedom - Joseph Goldstein
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/305/
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
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Re: details on sitting meditation?

Postby johnny » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 am

marc108 wrote:i believe, that the idea is to not wait until Jhana is developed to begin the practice of Satipatthana, not to forgo Jhana altogether.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
"Then there is the case where a monk has developed tranquillity preceded by insight. As he develops tranquillity preceded by insight, the path is born. He follows that path, develops it, pursues it. As he follows the path, developing it & pursuing it — his fetters are abandoned, his obsessions destroyed.



Vipassana Jhanas: The Path Of Freedom - Joseph Goldstein
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/305/


thank you sir! i have read that quote from the pali canon, it's ananda talking right? great stuff! very freeing in that it can develop in a variety of ways.
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Re: details on sitting meditation?

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:37 am

Some other relevant suttas are:
AN 4.41 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
AN 4.94 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration (Tranquillity and Insight)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

As marc says, "vipassana" approaches in fact involve both concentration and insight. Perhaps the best way to understand what they are about is to read or listen to teachers such as the talk he linked to, or some of the resources on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341#p6695

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