echograph wrote:but what would really make a difference is an actual person to talk to and learn from.
Kamran wrote:Hi echograph, I am Persian, too.
Thanissaro Bikhus talks at dhammatalks.org. is almost like having a personal meditation teacher, since much of what he says I have experienced during meditation and it seems as if he were speaking directly to me
waimengwan wrote:I would say if we understand karma, we know there is no one to blame but ourselves , we have created the causes for us to be harmed.n.
drifting cloud wrote:Hello Waimengwan,waimengwan wrote:I would say if we understand karma, we know there is no one to blame but ourselves , we have created the causes for us to be harmed.n.
With the deepest of respect to you and your teacher, I think this is an immense distortion of the teaching of karma. I think this amounts to blaming the victims of abuse, and is basically akin to kicking somebody when they are down. Are you seriously proposing that a child who is molested by their parents "has no one to blame but themselves"?
If so, this strikes me as monstrous. It also strikes me as nihilistic, since if we are all ultimately responsible for what happens to us, why should we bother to help other people? After all, they must have deserved whatever happened to them....
It is true that the Buddha taught that everything has a cause. Not all causes are the result of karma, however. The conclusions you seem to be implying are again, monstrous, and distortions of the Dhamma.
I realize this post is straying off topic. But I think it is important to respond to your points, because first of all your insensitive comments may very well turn somebody who is suffering away from the Buddhist path. Secondly and more importantly, it is extremely insensitive and lacking in compassion.
santa100 wrote:Unfortunately, for one who doesn't believe in kamma, all the injustices in life will seems even more unbearable. Look at those Nazis mass murderers who escaped to Argentina, enjoyed luxurious life, and passed away at a ripe old age. Evil dictators like Stalin, Kim Il Sung never had to pay for the horrific crimes they commited against their own people. They lived like kings until their last breath. How about all those Wall Street fat cats who're making billions of dollars just by laying off people and manipulating the market? Some have enough cash to purchase an entire island and still have a lot left so their kids, grand kids, great great grand kids to continue their luxurious life without having to work to earn it. The list can go on forever. So, if everything was just mere chance or coincidence, then life would be a boundless ocean of injustice. Finally, a belief in kamma is in no way to imply one will give up trying. Quite the opposite, by fully aware that thru one's own action, one is in complete control of his/her future destiny, one would try even harder to abstain from all unwholesome states of body, speech, and mind and try to build a better future for oneself through one's own wholesome striving and effort..
Secondly and more importantly, it is extremely insensitive and lacking in compassion.
echograph wrote:So lets say that I was an abuser in the past life. and I had the rape coming and deserved it. Since I have no memory of the past life, and in the next one I will have no memory
of this one, where is the lesson to be learned? where is the point that was made? Lets assume that Karma at play is paying me back for what I have done in the past life, Its making my life a living hell, giving me nightmares, robbed me of my childhood, took away my trust in humanity, made me resent sex, and never showed me love. What point does that make? where is the progress when all that happened was leaving a wound that takes a lifetime to heal? Where is the lesson to be learned?
I have read every major holy book cover-to-cover in 2 languages, they sound irrational, mean, and control masses by creating fear in god. While Karma, sounds like a force on its own, blindly functioning like a machine. Honestly burning in the Muslim or the Christian hell sounds A LOT better than the Karma at play, at least you know what you did and why you are suffering.
Blind belief is Blind belief. Sweeping generalizations and sprinkling punishment and reward around like candy. That sounds AS ignorant, blind, controlling and out-dated as any other faith. This was the ONLY time i asked for help and I was made to be the bad guy. Now tell me, what is karma is going to do to you for making me feel this way and obviously misrepresenting it. I guess you have to wait till the next life to be punished, and you will never know why you are being punished.
You know what this sounds like, a contributing/enabling factor for the cast system to function. a system of control and blind belief.
Thank you for showing me the true face of it. I was about to fall for it out of desperation.
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