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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby Spiny Norman » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:02 pm

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:58 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:03 pm

Reflection,

It is in this impermanence, ignorance people suffer, because what is not there is seen as there.

Ironically,

It is in this impermanence as well, people enlighten, because what is not there is seen as not there.

Have you ever wonder how can a yogic walk through the wall?

One of the yogic said this:

You make thing solid not because it is actually solid.
It is solid because you conceptually make it solid and you believe so.

Siddharta Gautama can walk through the wall, walk through anything, even when his aggregate is there.

We think he has aggregate because he has this bloody and meaty bone.
That is what we think.
But do you think he also think in this way? It is just no.

If you think this aggregate is solid and becomes the source of suffering, you will get what you think.

But if you can see the nature of your aggregate and can see everything as just process, you will just be able to see everything indeed cannot be mine and no point to make everything as personal because those intrinsic things just cant be found.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby Aloka » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Thanks Mike. I'd forgotten all about about that part of MN12 ! Are there a couple more references you could give me if its not too much trouble, please ? I need to start keeping my own reference list of the contents of some of the suttas.

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:48 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:11 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:42 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:35 am

Is there breathing?

This is the problem that we have actually.

Question never stop.

It is not because we should stop asking question.

But it is because we can't see there is no inherent in anything, so it makes this papanca questions keep rolling.

We ask
Is this breathing inconstant?
Rather than we think how to answer that, it is better we ask this: is there breathing in the first place?

If you can see nothing inherent, you will not be able to even ask this question.

You can answer that as no, but even all beings in this earth say you are right, in the eyes of enlightened beings, you are just wrong, because they don't see breathing in the first place.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:32 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:26 am

How if you make it as a different topic, it will be very very intellectual if you want to.

The title doesn't match.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:32 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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