Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:46 am

This kind of thing cannot be seen in one day.

You should try slowly with vipassana meditation.

You can try when your leg is pain.

If you can see that pain as sensation, you will have different reaction.
If you see that sensation as pain, you will have different reaction.
If you see that sensation as something you really really wait, you will have different reaction.

We can't understand that with pure analysis, because the concept of pain and joy is extremely deep inside us.

Even in your dream, when you dream tiger chase you, you will scared.

Ridiculous isn't it? How can a tiger chase me in the dream can cause fear? Why?

Like in a dream we see what is unreal as real, like that as well during awake, what is not there is seen as there.

Try in your meditation, you will see.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:50 am

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:26 pm

In the past, I really differentiate what Is pleasant as absolutely / definitely pleasant. What is unpleasant as unpleasant.

But the more I look at it, the more I can see for myself, it is just the game of my mind.

Reality move just like that.

When I see mountain eruption, before I see that as natural disaster.

I see that in that way, because that is what society say.

But the more I look at it, the more I see that mountain eruption is just a natural process and not as a natural disaster.

Good, bad, all of them are just the game of my mind.

I see no basis at all how I should believe that.

But frankly, I am far from that, very bad practitioner. :redherring:
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:12 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby santa100 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:35 pm

I appreciate that Darwid went in great length to emphasize the abandonement of conceptualization, which is crucial for developing Right View. But I'd like to add that although this is the very important first step, there're still a lot to be done. It's not a coincidence that the Buddha taught us the Eightfold Noble Path, not a Singlefold Noble Path. After Right View, there're Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration. A practitioner will need to fulfill ALL of these factors to succesfully eradicate all fetters and to attain liberation..

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:04 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:31 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:39 pm

Dropping labels and concepts, does not stop the appearances to manifest.
Dropping labels and concepts, does not stop the thoughts to manifest.

You can have millions of thoughts to manifest as results from various kammas- I am sitting, the fire is burning, this is tree, this is book, i am angry, I am jealous and anything.

But, if at this maximum point, there is a sense or assertion or believe or notion or view of

"this is me" is this is me,
"I am sitting" is I am sitting,
"thought" is thought,
"this is fire" is this is fire,
"this is tree" is this is tree,
"this is book" is this is book,
"I am angry" is I am angry,
"I am jealous" is I am jealous,

At that instance if "......." can turn to ...... Instead of in its original state as ".........", you should know instantly-

you just haven't dropped anything, not even a single dot of label and concept.

You still live under your illusions.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby DarwidHalim » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:46 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The Buddha/arahants/jhana and pain

Postby kirk5a » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:28 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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