What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

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Postby Jechbi » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:14 am

As opposed to what?

On further reflection I don't understand why you say that. Please explain.

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Postby Jechbi » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:21 am

I think he's saying teleological, as in the ends justify the means. But I'm not sure how he's using the term exactly.

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Postby Fede » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:23 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby MMK23 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:01 pm

Hmmmm... This thread is really strange. I don't mean that to be rude. I've kept out of it but I'm shaking my head a bit because a lot of this seems to be re-runs of a few recent discussions, just with different words. I'm reading lots of feelings and passion, but most of the words seem to be running cover or acting as excuses for the drama.

However, in fairness to the OP I'll attempt to answer! I've described my understanding of religion in the other thread. In accordance with that I would say that my understanding of the religious impulse is that which compels one to explore the numenous and perhaps motivates the recurrent question "why?".

I guess I would also have to say that I find it remarkable that there are some who would seek to have us believe that they are "rational" followers of Buddhism:

"I follow the teachings of a semi-historical ancient Indian guru who abandoned a life of comfort and privilege in order to terminate his existence for evermore, and who wanted to teach us to do the same. I know who he was and what he taught with very little certainty, and much of what I presume to be his teachings and biography I only know from the efforts of his fanatical believers to record them over 2500 years. Historians will likely never be able to pin down much about the man or his teachings with any certainty. This is me being rational and logical. Oh and he could travel to different dimensions and he had superpowers and so did some of his followers and did you hear the story about the little girl who flew through the air?"

Yeah right. Real rational and non-religious.

The religious impulse to me then, I guess, is very much like conscience or higher instinct - it's a little bit of luminosity that pierces the grey of even the greatest worldly pleasure and drives us to dig deeper despite the promises of the sensual world. It's the common sense that lit up like a spark the first time we encountered the dhamma and we knew we'd found the raft. It's the bit of courage and extra-rational security that gives us the fortitude to wade into the unknown with the certainty that we will reach the other shore. It's the unflinching better nature that isn't afraid to square up to the abyss and face our aeons of accumulated conditioning.

So yeah. Chalk me up once again as one of those soft religious types. I don't flaunt it or brandish it as an identity in my day-to-day life, but if the alternatives are what they seem to be then maybe it's time for to start wearing a badge.

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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:30 pm

It doesnt matter if the buddha lived or not, the teachings are full of wisdom and morality. For the part i have seen they lead to the quenching of dukkha


Think in terms of plato, his works are important it doesnt matter so much if a man called "plato" really did live or not


However if my practice depended on the Buddha performing miracles and so forth then i would agree with you assement, but practicing the dhamma doesnt depend on that


Your thinking of the Buddha as the same as jesus and the xtian need for all the things he done in the bible to be true, and the fact he lived to be true. There is a difference

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Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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