Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:00 am

With this sort of thing in mind, I think it would be good if everyone got their news from Al Jazeera on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and from CNN on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby manas » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:01 am

There's a good reason why the Mainstream Media all sound much the same, and seem to be pushing the same underlying agenda:

The Associated Press is an American news agency. The AP is a cooperative owned by its contributing newspapers, radio and television stations in the United States, which both contribute stories to the AP and use material written by its staff journalists. Many newspapers and broadcasters outside the United States are AP subscribers, paying a fee to use AP material without being contributing members of the cooperative.As of 2005, the news collected by the AP is published and republished by more than 1,700 newspapers, in addition to more than 5,001 television and radio broadcasters. The photograph library of the AP consists of over 10 million images. The Associated Press operates 243 news bureaus, and it serves at least 120 countries, with an international staff located all over the world.


If you live in a modern 'Western' democracy, next time you read the paper, take a look at the bottom for the source of almost every single news report, regardless of the particular newspaper or it's parent company: it will say either AP or Reuters. And so, when I read or listen to MSM (Mainstream Media) I always ask, why have they selected this as newsworthy? How does it make me feel? Angry or sad? (two common reactions). How does this report compare with previous reports on the same issue? etc etc. I find there is usually a reason for what they print. Like a steady 'drip, drip' they gently guide and mold what the masses think, without them even knowing it. Thus I hear quite similar views from many well-intentioned but simple folk in my local area, and I can trace much of their world-view from a particularly low-grade tabloid we have here in Melbourne (yes, it's a Murdoch paper). The amazing thing is, the people whose opinions have been moulded in such a way think that they themselves independently arrived at their views; they don't see how they have been manipulated.

So as has been pointed out here previously, I would be asking who is reporting on these massacres, and what their underlying agenda might be in reporting it - and keeping that generous handful of salt near at hand.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Skeptic » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:56 am

It was very interesting to see the change of attitude of western media during Sri Lanka civil war. For the most part of the war, western media was reporting in favour of Sinhalese and against Tamils, portraying them as terrorists. But when Sinhalese started to recieve Chinese support, the western media started to report against Sinhalese, making completly biased documentaries and even support the idea of Tamil Tigers that Sri Lanka shouldn't be unified.

Regarding the confilct in Myanmar, even media from muslim countries is more objective about it than western media is.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Mr Man » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:32 am

Skeptic wrote:But when Sinhalese started to recieve Chinese support, the western media started to report against Sinhalese, making completly biased documentaries....


Like this one?
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/sri- ... fields/4od
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Skeptic » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:48 am

Yes, I had this one in mind. During the war in Balkans there was much more killings and ethnic cleansing than in Sri Lanka, but in beginning nobody cared about it. Western media started to report about it when many thousands of people were already killed. In Sinhalese dominated areas there are many ethnicaly mixed areas full of Tamils, just look at Colombo for example. This would be impossible in the Balkans during the war, people of other ethnicity would be mostly expelled or killed.

My point is that western media started to report about Sinhalese crimes, and ignore the Tamil crimes for political reasons. War crimes just happened all the time from both sides, but the emphasis in reporting about them was changed. And there is kind of western supremacist bias in media, portraying both Sinhalese and Tamils as wild Asians, while ignoring the fact that in the Europe there was much worse and brutal ethnic clansing not so long time ago.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Mr Man » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:49 pm

Skeptic wrote:Yes, I had this one in mind. During the war in Balkans there was much more killings and ethnic cleansing than in Sri Lanka, but in beginning nobody cared about it. Western media started to report about it when many thousands of people were already killed. In Sinhalese dominated areas there are many ethnicaly mixed areas full of Tamils, just look at Colombo for example. This would be impossible in the Balkans during the war, people of other ethnicity would be mostly expelled or killed.

My point is that western media started to report about Sinhalese crimes, and ignore the Tamil crimes for political reasons. War crimes just happened all the time from both sides, but the emphasis in reporting about them was changed. And there is kind of western supremacist bias in media, portraying both Sinhalese and Tamils as wild Asians, while ignoring the fact that in the Europe there was much worse and brutal ethnic clansing not so long time ago.


The last days of the Sri Lankan war didn't get much coverage at all in the UK. The above linked program was shown very late at night on a channel 4 (not one of the most widely viewed channels). The actions of the Sri Lankan government were immoral in the extreem and the immoral actions of the Tigers does not mitigate this.

The war in the Balkans did receive wide coverage + intervention + some of the perpetrators have been brought to account.

Do you think the Rohingya should be afforded "rights" in Myanmar
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Mr Man » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:24 pm

Came accross this article: Discrimination: A Buddhist perspective
http://www.mizzima.com/edop/commentary/ ... ctive.html
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:29 am

I haven't continued to follow these events but the (Australian) ABC has: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-13/community-separated-to-calm-burmas-ethnic-tension/4260252

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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:47 am

One would wonder what "monks" are all about, south east asia is full of kilesas and the tradition to wear a robe is nowaday a well used protection to make "effective" politic. I just can recommend to run away if one comes in contact with a seeming Buddhist agent in public or places where they usauly would not appear, especially if they are Asian origin.

Discrimination, nationalism and rasism is a rising phenomena which was not that present the last years (among the most monasteries) but incrases terrible. Here in Cambodia for example a Christian "hunting" campange has started spreed through the network of the religion.

We need to accept that that what is called Buddhism has died short after the last concil in Asia and its artificial survival needs its support. Its is simple a last rear up of a dead heritage.

It is how ever good to give neither this or that opposition food and keep as far away form it. Stay where you are, there is actually enought to care about.

Don't think that Buddhist leader havn't been involved in the history of the last wars and horrors when not even lead to them. When ever a Monk talk about politic and gets involved, simply regard his as not to be a Monk at all.

Food to get saturated, and that should be the only purpose of such food: Authorities Nurture Burma’s Buddhist Chauvinism, Analysts Say
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...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Dmytro » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:29 pm

Hanzze wrote:Food to get saturated, and that should be the only purpose of such food: Authorities Nurture Burma’s Buddhist Chauvinism, Analysts Say


The same events, viewed without the 'politically correct' 'chauvinism' label, and with the concerns of the monks conveyed:

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/13085

See also the comments.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:47 am

No faith into Dhamma and Vinaya is no faith into Dhamma and Vinaya and how ever can in no way be called an action leaded by Bhikkhus. Love and Hate is a wheel and not understanding this one would put other things higher then virtue if there is no anchor in what one accepts as precepts.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Dan74 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:59 am

I guess the situation on the ground there is not as simple as we might think from the comfort of our safe and secure homes.

And when this safety and security are gone, slipping into tribalism and groupthink is all too easy, it seems.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:03 am

Very simple actually: moha, lobha, dosa. Its just that people think they them self or others are free of it.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Dmytro » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:21 am

The Rakhine victims of the clashes still remain largely homeless and require humanitarian aid.

You can help them by donating to "Myanmar Youths in Action" fund:

http://myia-asia.blogspot.com/2012/06/l ... ingya.html
http://www.facebook.com/myanmaryouths
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:41 am

On the first hand please understand Dana (it is not a way to help the guilty conscience which comes form group identification) and help from outside directed to the children (as a synonym for unwise and lower in level of respect) is just putting oil into the fire and break the sociaty apart. Even well meant, western (better modern) people do not easily understand Asian culture. If you are able to support and teach the father and mother it might help. There is no free will in a dimension we might see it for those people and it is the reason of toubles because the unwise get more and more feeling of being able to act.

Today south asian people are not people who run altruistic projects (they also did less in the past, there wa just a working together for the group), it is all a matter of power and reputation and especial those so modern youthgroups are mainly pools of politic no different of the young generations of monks.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby householder » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:12 am

For those following, matters have flared up again.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby cooran » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:50 pm

Hello all,

I don't believe that anyone who deliberately kills or harms others, who destroys their property, who makes them homeless is a follower of the Buddha's Dhamma ... no matter whether they call themselves Buddhists or not.
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

Postby householder » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:35 am

Elements of the Sangha here have reportedly played a very visible and conspicuous role in matters of late, protesting against the Rohingyas as well as the opening of an OIC office.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/octo ... ttacks.php

and

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/monks-t ... -1.1403130
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Re: Rohingya Massacres, Theravada Complicity?

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