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SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

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SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:50 am

SN 45.159 PTS: S v 51 CDB ii 1557
Agantuka Sutta: For All Comers
translated from the Pali by Maurice O'Connell Walshe


The states that are to be comprehended, abandoned, experienced, and cultivated through the practice of the Eightfold Path.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html


"Suppose, monks, there is a guest-house. Travelers come from the east, the west, the north, the south to lodge here: nobles and Brahmans, merchants and serfs.[1] In the same way, monks, a monk who cultivates the Noble Eightfold Path, who assiduously practices the Noble Eightfold Path, comprehends with higher knowledge those states that are to be so comprehended, abandons with higher knowledge those states that are to be so abandoned, comes to experience with higher knowledge those states that are to be so experienced, and cultivates with higher knowledge those states that are to be so cultivated.

"What, monks, are the states to be comprehended with higher knowledge?[2]

"They are the five groups of clinging. Which five? The body-group, the feeling-group, the perception-group, the mental-formation group, the consciousness-group...

"What, monks, are the states to be abandoned with higher knowledge?

"They are ignorance and the desire for [further] becoming.

"And what, monks, are the states to be experienced with higher knowledge?

"They are knowledge and liberation.

"And what, monk, are the states to be cultivated with higher knowledge?

"They are calm and insight.[3]

"And how does a monk who cultivates the Noble Eightfold Path, who assiduously practices the Noble Eightfold Path, comprehend... abandon... come to experience... cultivate with higher knowledge those states that are to be so comprehended, abandoned, experienced, cultivated?

"In this, monks, a monk cultivates Right View... Right Concentration that is based on detachment, dispassion, leading to maturity of surrender.[4] In this way he comprehends... abandons... comes to experience... cultivates with higher knowledge those states that are to be so comprehended, abandoned, experienced, cultivated."

Notes

1. The four "colors" from which the later caste system developed: the khattiyas (Sanskrit ksatriya) or nobles, the group to which Gotama himself belonged; the braahm.anas or Brahmans, the "priestly" caste (see SN 35.187, n. 1 ); the vessas (Sanskrit vaisya) or merchant class, and the suddas (Sanskrit suudra), the lowest class. For these, the term "serfs" in the text is not entirely appropriate, but it is hard to find an equivalent. See EB [Encyclopaedia of Buddhism, Colombo 1961] s.v. Caste.

2. Abhiññaa.

3. Samatha, vipassanaa: see SN 35.204, n. 9. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .html#fn-9

4. Vossaggapari.naami. In a note to SN 3.18 (not included in this Anthology),
Mrs Rhys Davids quotes SA [SN Commentary] on this term: "Surrender... is twofold: the ejection of all lower passions (kilesas) and the forward leap, or elan, to Nibbaana."
[ It is not clear what part of SN 3.18 is being referred to. SN 3.18 is here:
3. 2. 8. (18) Appamada II Diligence II, and I have also looked at Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation. Perhaps the numbering has been modified.]

See also: SN 36.14. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nypo.html

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby daverupa » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:58 pm

Giving a shot at the analogy...

north - understanding/comprehension
south - abandonment
east - experience
west - cultivation/development

The directions are meaningless; rather, the important thing to me is that there are four of each. Therefore, just as a guest house is constructed for the sake of engaging with travelers from these four directions, so too the eightfold path is constructed for the sake of engaging with these four activities.

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby vinasp » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:30 pm

Hi Sam Vega,

... sammāsamādhiṃ bhāveti vivekanissitaṃ virāganissitaṃ nirodhanissitaṃ vossaggapariṇāmiṃ ...
[DPR SN 45.93 agantukasuttam]

" ... a bhikkhu develops right view ... right concentration which is based on
seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release." [BB, CD, page 1558]

It is possible that Walshe has omitted cessation, or that nirodha was not in the
text which he was using.

I agree with you about the "guest-house" analogy, it's meaning here is obscure.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby equilibrium » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Guest house is your head!

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby daverupa » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:47 pm

Hmm.

The guest house is cultivated for the sake of "those travelers who are to be so lodged" just as the N8P is cultivated in order to "experience with higher knowledge those states that are to be so experienced."

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Re: SN 45.159: Agantuka Sutta — For All Comers

Postby Ytrog » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:36 pm

Haven't thought of that. Thanks :embarassed:


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