Reunify the Buddhism, is there any way?

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Reunify the Buddhism, is there any way?

Postby whynotme » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:11 pm

Hi everyone,

I think most of us Buddhists want to see the unification of Buddhism, and if such a thing can be done it will bring massive merit for ones who did it. Is there any way to make the job done? What should everyone do?

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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:20 am

Even if "reunification" were possible it would only last a few minutes or days, weeks at the most. This is because there will be divisions once again on how each person interprets the new doctrine, that was 'set-in-stone' so to speak.

Attempts at 'Buddhayana' schools have mostly failed and in the end become just another division, another 'denomination' just as in Christianity the non-denominational version is just another denomination in the end.

In Theravada we are perhaps more 'united' than Mahayana, with fewer differences and variations (not implying any superiority) with our focus on the Pali Canon. Yet even in Theravada there are some different approaches and variations and sometimes even some bitter fights, for example the bhikkhuni issue.

It would be nice if there were only one Dhamma / Dharma, but that is not the case and as time goes on we can only expect further divisions with new interpretations cropping up. It is no wonder, then that the Dhamma eventually gets too diluted and dies out . . . just as the Buddha stated.

In the meantime and in the more positive, we can consider these different schools as different approaches, for different temperaments and interests of the practitioners.
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Postby Vlcimba » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:00 am

There is no need to reunify it. It is already unified . The best thing we should do is respect the other divisions , do not be a smart-ass and try to question and criticize the other divisions. Your intention was good, but this would lead to divisions questioning each others differences, like in the previous threads . Stick to your own teachings . Just go with the division that's suit you best. You don't need to be a hero trying to reunite bddhism. The best thing you can do is just try not to question or criticize the other divisions, I have seen you croticizing the mahayanists a lot in the other thread . Please, learn to respect them. Noone wants a war between divisions like how Catholic popes tried to eliminate the Protestants back then.
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Postby whynotme » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:40 am

Many thanks, you guys seem well informed

OK, it seems to be unrealistic. The vinaya tells the similar issue (at much smaller scale) when there was disunion in the sangha: The monks said to others, this is dhamma, that is not dhamma, this is patimokkha, that is not patimokkha. And they create ally with monks with similar view, even the Buddha couldn't teach them so he left and lived alone in the forest. After that the Buddha taught about how to deal with it, for monks and lay people as well. Just for curiosity, has anyone here read it?

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Postby Dan74 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:55 am

I think the disunion, when it happens, is due to our defilements, like pride, and this is what we should all be working on.

One of my best friends is Theravadan, of Sri Lankan origin. She has been open-minded enough to go on Zen retreats with me and has developed deep respect for the Mahayana while staying with her Theravada practice. I see no friction and no disunion - we are not all clones, so it makes sense that due to our different backgrounds and personalities, we find ourselves on somewhat different paths. As long as we respect each other's path, there is no cause for concern. This respect comes from exposure, I guess. And when one does not have the time or the inclination for this exposure, it is best not to pass any judgment one way or another.

As for your recent threads, I didn't get offended at all. Your opinions were misinformed but you came across to me like a well-meaning person who was also willing to listen. In any case all the best for your practice.
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Re: Reunify the Buddhism, is there any way?

Postby whynotme » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:32 am

Thank you Dan,

Just a note, I don't call myself a Therevadin or Mahayanist. If I need to name myself, I am just a follower, a student of the Buddha. If Theravada teaches me smt, I look at it carefully, is it compatible with dhamma, with suttas, with vinaya? Does it lead to wisdom, giving up, peace? I tried my best and if it doesn't meet the standard then I reject it, either Theravada or Mahayana or from a well known teacher. If it lead to peace, wisdom, compatible with dhamma, suttas, vinaya, while it is from science, Christian, Muslim, atheism, I accept it and try to encourage others doing it, even he is Christian, atheism or whatever.

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Postby reflection » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:54 am

Divisions only exist in the mind. You could either say there is one type of Buddhism or there are millions of types of Buddhism, or anything in between. All is true on another level. So if you want to unify Buddhism, you can! At least, that's how I see it.

If you want to see just one interpretation of the dhamma, everybody who practiced the dhamma would have to be enlightened obviously. But I don't think that will happen any time soon. And even then, the path can be represented in a multiple of ways.

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When was Buddhism ever unified?


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