Touch, the other senses and feeling tone

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Touch, the other senses and feeling tone

Postby danieLion » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:36 am

In this Andrea Fella says that (1) according to Abhidhamma the sense base of touch is always either pleasant or unpleasant and that it's never got a neutral tone to it. She also says that (2) according to Abhidhamma that the other four sense bases are all inherently neutral (of 2 adds that she isn't convinced).

Which part of the Abhidhamma did she get this from? I only have a copy of the CMA and couldn't find any parallel statements in there.

Comments are at about 33:15 to about 33:14 and from about 46:45 to about 48:25.

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Re: Touch, the other senses and feeling tone

Postby James the Giant » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:55 am

Sorry, I don't know. But on a related topic, Ajahn Tiradhammo, currently at Birken Monastery in Canada, teaches being aware of Feeling Tone as the main method of formal practise.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Touch, the other senses and feeling tone

Postby robertk » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:21 am

Yes she is right. I think This becomes obvious to awareness.
Through the bodysense the contact is very coarse, it wil inevitably be either plesant or unplesant to some degree.

For the other senses the contact is so different.Take seeing: there is never unpleasant feeling, even if we see something disgusting like a dog faeces, nor is there pleasant feeling at the moment if seeing a beautiful object.

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Re: Touch, the other senses and feeling tone

Postby danieLion » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:46 pm

Thanks Robert and Goof,

If I follow correctly, these descriptions apply only to post noticing the feeling tone at a sense base. Pre noticing, the feeling tone at any base is neutral, right?

This is based on my (currently limited) understanding of the citta-sangaha-vibhāgo/cetasika taxonomy of the Abhidhammattha Sangaha where neutral vedanā is always rooted in avijjā/dosa.

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