Greetings,(In what risks becoming something of a train wreck...)May everyone, regardless of your perspectives, please endeavour to express them in a manner which is clear, calm and mutually respectful.
If we can do that, something useful take-outs from the discussion might actually be possible...
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine