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Pursuing Long-term ordination - Dhamma Wheel

Pursuing Long-term ordination

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:57 am

After having done ten days, two weeks, and recently one week in a monastic setting, I've decided to take the next step seek a month-long residence at Santi Forest Monastery in Australia. I've done ten days, two weeks, and then a week in a monastic setting, and each time seemed easier and easier. I think a month is the next best step. I've spoken with a woman from the monastery and she's stated that, if I so choose, I can extend my stay upon review after the original month.

I will be going in January, which is when my lease is over. I plan on moving away from my current town upon return anyway, but I've decided that I am going to at least make long-term ordination at Santi a possibility. I have decided to load up my possessions into my parents' house (they live in the next town over) and move my life towards a point where I could, if both the monks and nuns and I felt it was appropriate, never return from Santi and simply move straight towards ordination. This possibility excites me but I am trying to go in with no expectations, just taking it a day at a time for the first month in order to see exactly how the experience affects me.

I chose Santi because of the heavy emphasis on Bhikkhuni ordination, which I very much support, and their protracted ordination procedure. I feel I am not currently ready to be a monk in any way, but I think I am ready to start down that path. If, upon review, I do stay at the monastery, I would enter into a period of long-term residence, followed by an Anagarika stage, then Samanera, then full ordination over the course of about a year and a half. I feel this schedule would give me ample time to decide if the life was for me. I have spoken with the nun who arranges these things and they have voiced their full support for my attempt at full ordination, at least in theory. This gives me hope.

I would love to know what members of this community would recommend, caution against, or otherwise add to the conversation. I'm trying to get into "preparation mode" as we speak and I hope others can recommend a regimen or otherwise give advice for how to prepare for a month-long stay, or perhaps a full-on ordination attempt later on.

Thank you so much!
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:07 am

Greetings LY,

I'm guessing you've read all the materials on the website to see their processes etc. as they have pretty fixed minimum durations for those preliminary pre-bhikkhu stages. I'm not sure how much, if anything, has changed since Ajahn Sujato stepped down from the abbot role.

What you're doing sounds fine, and your "step by step" approach makes sense to me.

Good luck.

:thumbsup:

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:33 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby Way~Farer » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:57 am

I don't *think* I am pursuing ordination, but I am from a similar part of the world, and in fact the last retreat I did was at the nearby , at the beginning of 2011. If you're at Santi, I hope you do get to visit Sunnataram also - they are quite near each other. The only tip I would give is regarding climate - can get very hot in the Australian summer during the Jan-Feb period, and after a run of cool wet summers, we're due for one.

All the best with your travels and endeavours.

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:13 am

What's the visa situation? get a 3 month tourist visa on arrival and hope you can renew it when the time comes? or can you get a sponsorship letter from the monastery? I assume you won't be able to get a "minister of religion" visa until ordained, perhaps you could get an education one.

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby Ben » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:38 am

Greetings LY
I don't have any useful advice regarding your plans to ordain though I do want to express my good wishes.
With regard to your visa - make the appropriate enquiries at Santi Monastery. I doubt whether you would be the first person to come to Australia to spend an extended period at Santi and they may already have all the good information you need to navigate our Dept of Immigration. I also recommend that you approach visit the Australian government website and/or contact the Australian Embassy or Consulate closest to where you live.
kind regards,

Ben
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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby James the Giant » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:09 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:28 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby marc108 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:11 pm

good for you! my only advice would be dont over-think it... just play it by ear and enjoy yourself. Santi really is very uniquely set up for serious meditators to meditation in seclusion, and still have some modern amenities. it's a great blessing to be able to train in an environment like that.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:02 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby James the Giant » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:32 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby reflection » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:52 pm

Hi!

I love your intentions. As you may know I'm also considering ordination and planning to visit Australia among other places. I contacted Santi as well, and may go there also. But because of the departure of Ajahn Sujato, times are a bit hectic there and it may not be the best place to ordain as a young monk. I was redirected to a monastery in New Zealand, but I forgot the name.

Perhaps we'll meet some day.
Have a lot of fun!

Metta,
Reflection

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:21 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby Viscid » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:44 pm

The apparent soundness of your decision, I hope, is evidence of your success.

Would your 'support' of Bhikkhuni ordinations dispose you towards advocacy?
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:50 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby Viscid » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:20 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Pursuing Long-term ordination

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:34 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta



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