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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Vlcimba » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:36 am

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Vlcimba wrote:Hormones man. Hormones is the key. You can't get rid of it, but you can take control, and slowly overcome it day by day , the brain is designed to have infinite number of taughts, ideas intentions, you just need to try to make sure every each of it is a good one, it's almost impossible to achieve that, for us laypeople, we don't need to, we just need to try our best. I don't know a lot of Buddhist terms like you all, but I hope this post helped, I am a mahayanist and also study Theravada , but I am a simple man, so I use simple words to express myself:)

Hell, no. I tell you this, at first I don't know that when I get bored I can have sexual desire to escape the reality, but after realize that, I can easily overcome it when I am bored. The unconscious state of the mind is very important, you must read it yourself.

Hormones is important but it is not the key. If hormones is the key then no one can get rid of it, or arahant is just a drug user. Also the master would teach all of his disciples to get a castration to become an arahant, because it will kill sexual desire forever, but he didn't.

Actually hormones is under the control of the brain, or the mind not vice versa. If you fear the brain will pump alot of adrenaline into your body, but the brain must conceive a fear first. If you brain (mind) conceive a woman is ugly then no hormones could rise sexual desire in you about her. In reality it is not as simple as that because the mind and the hardware interact with each other quite fast and they stimulus each other, but the mind is superior to the hardware.

The Buddha emphasis on the mind because he know what is good what is bad. If you think you are better than him then welcome our new master of the dhamma.

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Yeah I agree with ya. Self-control is the key then :D. When i was stopping mastirbation and pprn, I had to remain conscious all day and tell myself not to get too horny. It was tough. But it was worth it. With just abut of perseverance and self control. But it's actually still impossible to completely get rid of lust and sexual feelings, maybe I need to be much more wise to do that, but I don't really care, as a laypeople, we are allowed to have a partner rite :)
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby whynotme » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:29 am

Vlcimba wrote:Yeah I agree with ya. Self-control is the key then :D. When i was stopping mastirbation and pprn, I had to remain conscious all day and tell myself not to get too horny. It was tough. But it was worth it. With just abut of perseverance and self control. But it's actually still impossible to completely get rid of lust and sexual feelings, maybe I need to be much more wise to do that, but I don't really care, as a laypeople, we are allowed to have a partner rite :)

Well, it is very hard to tell, but one of the problem is that because most of us don't really want to get rid of it. I.e, like a king who have his country ruined by his officers, but he only put them to jail several days then release them to the post positions. He want his country to be good but on the other hand don't want to behead his officers coz they are his relatives. So by using his manner, it is very hard to take control over his officers, and so we are, it is very hard for us to take control over an enemy when we don't really want to behead it.

Before enlightenment, bodhisattva known that he still will be controlled by desires when he can't attain some pleasure and joy superior to them. It is a suggestion that if we want to take control over it (sexual desire), we must have ability to access to some pleasure superior to it (jhana).

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Vlcimba » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:28 pm

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Vlcimba wrote:Yeah I agree with ya. Self-control is the key then :D. When i was stopping mastirbation and pprn, I had to remain conscious all day and tell myself not to get too horny. It was tough. But it was worth it. With just abut of perseverance and self control. But it's actually still impossible to completely get rid of lust and sexual feelings, maybe I need to be much more wise to do that, but I don't really care, as a laypeople, we are allowed to have a partner rite :)

Well, it is very hard to tell, but one of the problem is that because most of us don't really want to get rid of it. I.e, like a king who have his country ruined by his officers, but he only put them to jail several days then release them to the post positions. He want his country to be good but on the other hand don't want to behead his officers coz they are his relatives. So by using his manner, it is very hard to take control over his officers, and so we are, it is very hard for us to take control over an enemy when we don't really want to behead it.

Before enlightenment, bodhisattva known that he still will be controlled by desires when he can't attain some pleasure and joy superior to them. It is a suggestion that if we want to take control over it (sexual desire), we must have ability to access to some pleasure superior to it (jhana).

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The king doesn't want to behead them but can instead jail them for life, or limit their powers so that they aren't strong enough to rebel. I would like to have kids so yeah , it's not about the pleasure , it's about the generations that we can educate , to pass on our Buddhism teachings, so that Buddhism doesnt decline, but it probably will not, as Albert Einstein said Buddhism is going to be the future cosmic religion.
And I love my partner btw :). I guess I have a different view, I don't hope to reach full enlightenment myself, but to help others , to start Buddhism, educate them, spreading Buddhism is the path I choose to walk . :focus: Lust, is not that destructive, but it does interfere with life and dhamaic practices. I guess I just not ready yet. Jhana, is not easy to achieve /practice,for a person who is still struggling to control his addictions, it's just too far a step forward. I may be wrong , correct me :)
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby whynotme » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:11 am

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whynotme wrote:
Vlcimba wrote:Yeah I agree with ya. Self-control is the key then :D. When i was stopping mastirbation and pprn, I had to remain conscious all day and tell myself not to get too horny. It was tough. But it was worth it. With just abut of perseverance and self control. But it's actually still impossible to completely get rid of lust and sexual feelings, maybe I need to be much more wise to do that, but I don't really care, as a laypeople, we are allowed to have a partner rite :)

Well, it is very hard to tell, but one of the problem is that because most of us don't really want to get rid of it. I.e, like a king who have his country ruined by his officers, but he only put them to jail several days then release them to the post positions. He want his country to be good but on the other hand don't want to behead his officers coz they are his relatives. So by using his manner, it is very hard to take control over his officers, and so we are, it is very hard for us to take control over an enemy when we don't really want to behead it.

Before enlightenment, bodhisattva known that he still will be controlled by desires when he can't attain some pleasure and joy superior to them. It is a suggestion that if we want to take control over it (sexual desire), we must have ability to access to some pleasure superior to it (jhana).

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The king doesn't want to behead them but can instead jail them for life, or limit their powers so that they aren't strong enough to rebel. I would like to have kids so yeah , it's not about the pleasure , it's about the generations that we can educate , to pass on our Buddhism teachings, so that Buddhism doesnt decline, but it probably will not, as Albert Einstein said Buddhism is going to be the future cosmic religion.
And I love my partner btw :). I guess I have a different view, I don't hope to reach full enlightenment myself, but to help others , to start Buddhism, educate them, spreading Buddhism is the path I choose to walk . :focus: Lust, is not that destructive, but it does interfere with life and dhamaic practices. I guess I just not ready yet. Jhana, is not easy to achieve /practice,for a person who is still struggling to control his addictions, it's just too far a step forward. I may be wrong , correct me :)

A thought in my mind, if we all just want to spread Buddhism without enlightenment then we are all like banker who store no one money. Anyway, enlightenment help you do the job better and even saints (as stream enterer and one returner, you still can enjoy sexual pleasure) :tongue:

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Vlcimba » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:49 am

Regards[/quote]

The king doesn't want to behead them but can instead jail them for life, or limit their powers so that they aren't strong enough to rebel. I would like to have kids so yeah , it's not about the pleasure , it's about the generations that we can educate , to pass on our Buddhism teachings, so that Buddhism doesnt decline, but it probably will not, as Albert Einstein said Buddhism is going to be the future cosmic religion.
And I love my partner btw :). I guess I have a different view, I don't hope to reach full enlightenment myself, but to help others , to start Buddhism, educate them, spreading Buddhism is the path I choose to walk . :focus: Lust, is not that destructive, but it does interfere with life and dhamaic practices. I guess I just not ready yet. Jhana, is not easy to achieve /practice,for a person who is still struggling to control his addictions, it's just too far a step forward. I may be wrong , correct me :)[/quote]
A thought in my mind, if we all just want to spread Buddhism without enlightenment then we are all like banker who store no one money. Anyway, enlightenment help you do the job better and even saints (as stream enterer and one returner, you still can enjoy sexual pleasure) :tongue:

Regards[/quote]

Yeah i get you . Its a very materialistic world, and you just need something to draw peoples attention nowadays, experience is one thing, being wise is another. And haha, your so humourous, but your a wise one as well. well, i guess that your rite, i still need to reach a certain kind of level before i can start spreading it, as a lot of peopel end up as a bad tug nowadays. The buddha told us that we should not beleive in anything, and a person can reach the nirvana state of mind without even reading a single scripture iun his life, but practices dhamma and buddhist teachings along the way without knowing it, they are people like that, and i know a few of them too.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby whynotme » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:29 am

Vlcimba wrote:The buddha told us that we should not beleive in anything, and a person can reach the nirvana state of mind without even reading a single scripture iun his life, but practices dhamma and buddhist teachings along the way without knowing it, they are people like that, and i know a few of them too.

I don't know what you meant by reaching nirvana without reading a scripture, coz dhamma can be taught orally. But if you meant one can reach nirvana without the buddha's teaching then it meant that one actually found the way himself. No difference in Mahayana or Therevada, there are only two type of person found the way himself, sammasambuddha (perfect Buddha like Gotama) and paccekabuddha (silent Buddha, which our known history doesn't has any)

Those found the way themselves, the only difference is that sammasambuddhas teach dhamma to others while paccekabuddha don't do it. All others can't found the way themselves, but must find it under the teaching of a sammasam buddha. If you say someone can practice teaching without knowing it, you are against Buddhism, against Therevada and Mahayana, or that person you refered to is a pacceka buddha (very unlikely when the teaching of current sammasam buddha still exist)

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Vlcimba » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:18 am

whynotme wrote:
Vlcimba wrote:The buddha told us that we should not beleive in anything, and a person can reach the nirvana state of mind without even reading a single scripture iun his life, but practices dhamma and buddhist teachings along the way without knowing it, they are people like that, and i know a few of them too.

I don't know what you meant by reaching nirvana without reading a scripture, coz dhamma can be taught orally. But if you meant one can reach nirvana without the buddha's teaching then it meant that one actually found the way himself. No difference in Mahayana or Therevada, there are only two type of person found the way himself, sammasambuddha (perfect Buddha like Gotama) and paccekabuddha (silent Buddha, which our known history doesn't has any)

Those found the way themselves, the only difference is that sammasambuddhas teach dhamma to others while paccekabuddha don't do it. All others can't found the way themselves, but must find it under the teaching of a sammasam buddha. If you say someone can practice teaching without knowing it, you are against Buddhism, against Therevada and Mahayana, or that person you refered to is a pacceka buddha (very unlikely when the teaching of current sammasam buddha still exist)

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Yes I meant that one van actually reach nirvana without reading any teachings, but I do not go against the buddhas teaching. Most of us need Buddhas teaching and a good teacher to guide us to the right path, but the point is, I am just saying that one cannot reach nirvana or be a true Buddhist just by reading / understanding the teachings , they need to try to apply it to daily life, and the Buddha also said that if the teaching is not that practical in our world today, we can adapt by changing it a bit, as long as it doesn't change the main reason of it. One simple example is the Tibetan monks. They consume meat because they need it as the temperature there is awfully cold.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:10 am

manas wrote:There is this sutta, can't remember which at present, where the Buddha is quoted as having said, that before (attainment (or regular practice?) of jhana, he was still able to be tempted by lust, but that once he had jhana, he could no longer be tempted by lust. I have read in a few places that the piti-sukha of the first jhana is more pleasant that any sensual pleasure. So one way to give up porn forever, would be to learn how to obtain the higher forms of pleasure in meditation.

Majjhima 14 transl. Thanissaro wrote:"Even though a disciple of the noble ones has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, still — if he has not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that[4] — he can be tempted by sensuality. But when he has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and he has attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, he cannot be tempted by sensuality.

"I myself, before my Awakening, when I was still an unawakened bodhisatta, saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, but as long as I had not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, I did not claim that I could not be tempted by sensuality. But when I saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and I had attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, that was when I claimed that I could not be tempted by sensuality.
From: Cula-dukkhakkhandha Sutta: The Lesser Mass of Stress
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Vlcimba » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:03 am

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manas wrote:There is this sutta, can't remember which at present, where the Buddha is quoted as having said, that before (attainment (or regular practice?) of jhana, he was still able to be tempted by lust, but that once he had jhana, he could no longer be tempted by lust. I have read in a few places that the piti-sukha of the first jhana is more pleasant that any sensual pleasure. So one way to give up porn forever, would be to learn how to obtain the higher forms of pleasure in meditation.

Majjhima 14 transl. Thanissaro wrote:"Even though a disciple of the noble ones has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, still — if he has not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that[4] — he can be tempted by sensuality. But when he has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and he has attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, he cannot be tempted by sensuality.

"I myself, before my Awakening, when I was still an unawakened bodhisatta, saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, but as long as I had not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, I did not claim that I could not be tempted by sensuality. But when I saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and I had attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, that was when I claimed that I could not be tempted by sensuality.
From: Cula-dukkhakkhandha Sutta: The Lesser Mass of Stress
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Hey dude! Have you taken control of your addiction yet? It's been awhile

Ps: I taught it was you dhamma pal. Name looked too familiar. Dhamma newb , I meant
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby manas » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:28 am

dhammapal wrote:
manas wrote:There is this sutta, can't remember which at present, where the Buddha is quoted as having said, that before (attainment (or regular practice?) of jhana, he was still able to be tempted by lust, but that once he had jhana, he could no longer be tempted by lust. I have read in a few places that the piti-sukha of the first jhana is more pleasant that any sensual pleasure. So one way to give up porn forever, would be to learn how to obtain the higher forms of pleasure in meditation.

Majjhima 14 transl. Thanissaro wrote:"Even though a disciple of the noble ones has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, still — if he has not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that[4] — he can be tempted by sensuality. But when he has clearly seen as it actually is with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and he has attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, he cannot be tempted by sensuality.

"I myself, before my Awakening, when I was still an unawakened bodhisatta, saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, but as long as I had not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, I did not claim that I could not be tempted by sensuality. But when I saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and I had attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, that was when I claimed that I could not be tempted by sensuality.
From: Cula-dukkhakkhandha Sutta: The Lesser Mass of Stress
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Thanks dhammapal, yes that was exactly the sutta I had in mind! Now, I just gotta practice it...

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:00 am

Hi Manas,

Are you familiar with the Nanda Sutta?. The Buddha had a great sense of humor and skillful means.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby manas » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:32 am

dhammapal wrote:Hi Manas,

Are you familiar with the Nanda Sutta?. The Buddha had a great sense of humor and skillful means.

With metta / dhammapal.


I would not dare to say that the Blessed one would ever play a trick on anyone, but I love the way he skilfully gets Nanda so fired up and inspired to practice with the promise of 'five-hundred pink-footed nymphs', but with the eventual result that he no longer even wants them :lol: But being outwitted by the Buddha was for his own good!

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:44 am

manas wrote:
dhammapal wrote:Hi Manas,
Are you familiar with the Nanda Sutta?. The Buddha had a great sense of humor and skillful means.
With metta / dhammapal.

I would not dare to say that the Blessed one would ever play a trick on anyone, but I love the way he skilfully gets Nanda so fired up and inspired to practice with the promise of 'five-hundred pink-footed nymphs', but with the eventual result that he no longer even wants them :lol: But being outwitted by the Buddha was for his own good!
:anjali:

I love the way the Buddha instantly responded with his skillful means of taking Nanda by the arm to the heaven realm. He probably forsaw that Nanda would be fired up by the other monks teasing him about practicing for the sake of nymphs. This reminds me of a teaching that has a lesson for porn-addicts, reflecting that there are people in the world with psychic powers who would be able to know about our shameful behavior in seclusion.

Porn-free for 129 days.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby Dharmastarter » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:06 am

Porn free for 2 days ^^
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby DAWN » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:18 am

Free porn for 150 days ++

I have a question, how do the bhikkhus do, when during the night time they have some pollution and his body is liberation of that is not usefull. They wash that the same morning, our they come on pindabat without washing these robes, our something else? Because if they wash those robes the same morning, it's not be dry before evening... so i'am wondering about that.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:31 am

Porn-free for 134 days.

I had a near-miss last night, searching the web for a sex education fantasy. Fortunately I didn't find any photos only a diagram. I've realized that not only are nude photos a trigger for masturbation but that masturbation is a trigger for searching for porn.

I'm going to work with sexual fantasies by taking them to their logical long-term conclusions where I'll probably find I would wish to have not wasted my money and have time to myself which of course I have now. I got the idea from a story in Ajaan Lee's autobiography where he contemplates disrobing and decides to think about how it would actually be like. A great story.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:31 pm

After 134 days I just looked at some porn :( Now I'm worried that I might have downloaded a computer virus! So back to Day 1 I guess.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:59 pm

dhammapal wrote:After 134 days I just looked at some porn :( Now I'm worried that I might have downloaded a computer virus! So back to Day 1 I guess.

With metta and apologies / dhammapal.

No need for apologies to anyone. Shame, guilt, or frustration are not positive emotions.

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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
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Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
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Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:00 pm

Porn-free for 8 hours. Now that I know that I don't have a prostate infection I'm ready to start again.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Postby dhammapal » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:35 am

Porn-free for 19 hours (and 134 days before that and 168 days before that). Saw a woman in the grocery store and just thought "I could always look it up on the InterNet" <joke> as something I wouldn't make a regular habit of. I caught myself in the act of doing walking meditation when my parents were out and realized that if I was really a porn-addict I would be looking at it at that time.

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