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It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:16 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby DAWN » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:33 pm

Our body is not our, because we can't make it younger
Our thoughts are nor ours, be cause we have to wait for it, we are awere only about yet-rised thought, like a moon, we see when it rises, we see when it shines, when he it enlight darkness, and we see when it go down. But is it our moon? I dont think so...
So if our toughts not belong to us, how we can say that our actions, interactivity, our kamma belong to us?

We can just be awere of it, contemplate it like it is, it's the all practice.

Sabbe dhamma anatta.

There is nobody, who can change somethink. Everethink is energy, 100% anatta, can one atom change somethink? So why we suffering about the choise? Why change? Everythink is perfect, and dwells ih harmony. Good and bad is somethink subjective, but there is no subject and no object. Everythink is mind that transfuse in his own rainbow sunshine. Buddha is shines, Buddha is pure, he shines throught his own purity, and rainbow of Samsara/Nibbana apears. This shine have no beginning, this purity have no begenning.
It's just like that, a rainbow of mind, completely free...

S.N. I.1-26 Source of light
"..
But the Buddha is the best of those that shine:
He is the light unsurpased."


1.Mind precedes all mental states.
Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought.
If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts
suffering follows him
like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.
2. Mind precedes all mental states.
Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought.
If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts
happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow.


Why peoples want to have a choise, when they all dwells in harmony?
They want to change something that is perfect on it's own

They dont want to suffer, but they want to change, they want to have a choise
But change is dukkha, choise is dukkha

It's not complicate to practice it. You have just to accept the think to be what they are, like a clean and smooth mirrow, don't change, don't judge, be compassionate of dhammas, be wise about dhammas. To judge is hate, and "5. Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased.This is a law eternal." Let all dhammas BE, it's a highest compassion, it's a highest wisdom, it's a state of freedom, unconditionate state.

So why are we suffering ?
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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:54 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby DAWN » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:42 pm

Subjectively there is dukkha, objectively there is no dukkha.

Ud 8.2
It's hard to see the unaffected,
for the truth isn't easily seen.
Craving is pierced in one who knows;
For one who sees, there is nothing.


If there is suffering, so there is somebody who suffer. But all is anatta. Light that devoid of personality.
The one who contamplain the body and mind knows anatta of dhammas, for this one there is no more suffering, just a mouvement, just a kamma, just causes and quencequanses.
He knows that this body is just a "son" of those parents, he knows that this memories is not him self, it's not "me", but it's just some experiance of the dhamma, wich is this body, that this experiance dwell in body, that this experiance will die with this body. Like a rain drop that slides down on the window, it have not ego, it have not a choise of way that's slides down, it's dont care about it, it's not suffering about the dirt of window that it's washing, a it's just slides down from it's rise to it's diappearence, like all dhammas.

The only think that we can do, is do nothing. Find the refuge in our mind and dwell in it by contamplaing the mind shines until body's die.


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai ... eased.html
A Heart Released
The Teachings of Phra Ajaan Mun Bhuridatta Thera
§14. Activityless-ness is the end point of the world, beyond supposing and formulation.

saccanam caturo pada
khinasava jutimanto te loke parinibbuta


The four Noble Truths — suffering, its cause, its cessation, and the path to its cessation — are activities in that each truth has an aspect that has to be done: Suffering has to be understood, its cause abandoned, its cessation made clear, and the path to its cessation developed. All of these are aspects that have to be done — and if they have to be done, they must be activities. So we can conclude that all four truths are activities. This is in keeping with the first verse quoted above, which speaks of the four truths as feet, stair treads, or steps that must be taken for the task to be finished. What follows is thus termed activityless-ness — like writing the numerals 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0, then erasing 1-9, leaving just 0, and not writing anything more. What is left is read as 'zero,' but it doesn't have any value at all. You can't use it to add, subtract, multiply, or divide with any other numerals, yet at the same time you can't say that it doesn't exist, for there it is: 0 (zero).

This is like the discernment that knows all around, because it destroys the activity of supposing. In other words, it erases supposing completely and doesn't become involved with or hold on to any supposings at all. With the words 'erasing' or 'destroying' the activity of supposing, the question arises, 'When supposing is entirely destroyed, where will we stay?' The answer is that we will stay in a place that isn't supposed: right there with activityless-ness.
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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby SDC » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:11 pm

DAWN, is this just your intellectual understanding or have you seen all of this to be the case?

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby Scott1989 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:16 pm

Actually, the Buddha said the same thing. Just read up on the basis, the Three Marks of Existence. He explains that conditioned things are empty of a self. How can you then talk about a self that makes choices?

And if you want something that makes more sense: how can an 'I' ever change?
Or: how can something you can be aware of (including thoughts, body, feelings, etc.) ever be you?

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:36 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby Viscid » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:11 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:03 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby kirk5a » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:07 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby Magoo » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:09 am

Hi Scott,

In the very least you have generated a valuable and enjoyable discussion.

Can I ask if you (as a figure of speech) will choose to repond to my email or if it is inevitable?

The idea that everything is just inevitable does not seem valid (to me). Certainly much of what we experience in our day is uncontrolable, but I (again figure of speech) do have control of my actions and speech and intentions (with the help of mindfulness), demostrated by the fact that I am going to make myself a nice cup of coffee. If I wait for inevitabilty, I dont think I will ever have that coffee I am craving!

To me and in my humble opinion the concept of "no self" is being taken a bit too extreme here. I prefer the middle way.

With MeggaMetta
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Re: It is inevitable ... My thoughts on spiritual practice.

Postby DAWN » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:35 am

Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Postby kirk5a » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:15 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Sabbe dhamma anatta
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