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David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:47 pm

Dear Members,

I would like to thank David for giving me the complete List of Celebrity Buddhists and I think I should add SCHINDLER'S LIST,1 of my most favorite movies of all time :


Schindler's List : Starring Liam neeson :thumbsup:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... r%27s+list

Schindler's List is a 1993 film about Oskar Schindler, a German businessman who saved the lives of more than a thousand mostly Polish-Jewish refugees during the Holocaust by employing them in his factories. :anjali: The film was directed by Steven Spielberg, and based on the novel Schindler's Ark by Australian novelist Thomas Keneally. It stars Liam Neeson as Schindler, Ralph Fiennes as Schutzstaffel (SS)-officer Amon Göth, and Ben Kingsley as Schindler's Jewish accountant Itzhak Stern. :thumbsup:

The film was a box office success and recipient of seven Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Score, as well as numerous other awards (7 BAFTAs, 3 Golden Globes). In 2007, the American Film Institute ranked the film 8th on its list of the 100 best American films of all time (up one position from its 9th place listing on the 1998 list).
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David's List of Celebrity Buddhists

Celebrity Buddhists, such as those in television, film, the arts, CEOs, music, and sports. Also included are politicians from non-Buddhist lands (otherwise the list would be too long if it included all politicians from Buddhist lands too or celebrities who are only known in Buddhist lands).
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Nigerian-English actor
Roberto Baggio, soccer (football) star for Italy
Orlando Bloom, English actor
Kate Bosworth, American actress SUPERMAN RETURNS dvd
Jeff Bridges, American actor JAGGED EDGE/VANISHING dvd
Jackie Chan, actor RUSH HOURS dvdJohn Cleese, actor, writer
Leonard Cohen Canadian singer/songwriter/poet
Patrick Duffy, actor DALLAS tv series
William Ford, Jr., Executive Director of the Board at Ford Motor Co.
Richard Gere, American actor UNFAITHFUL/PRETTY WOMAN/INTERNAL AFFAIRS dvd
Allen Ginsberg, poet
Philip Glass, composer
Herbie Hancock, musician
Goldie Hawn, actress DECEIVED/OVERBOARD dvd
Hermann Hesse, Noble Prize winning author
bell hooks, author
Kate Hudson, actress SKELETON KEY dvd
Michael Imperioli, American actor
Phil Jackson, Basketball coach of the NBA's Los Angeles Lakers
Angelina Jolie, American actress, humanist activist, Goodwill Ambassador for the UN Refugee Agency HER TATTOOS
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... ie+tattoos
Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple Inc.
Jack Kerouac, author, poet, painter
Miranda Kerr, Australian supermodel, one of Victoria's Secret Angels
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... randa+Kerr
K.D. Lang, Canadian singer
Jet Li, Chinese martial artist, Hollywood actor
Jennifer Lopez, actress, singer
Courtney Love, American singer-songwriter
George Lucas, American filmmaker, director of Star Wars
Alanis Morissette, Canadian singer-songwriter
Maya Soetoro-Ng, university professor, sister of U.S. president (Barack Obama)
Ellison Onizuka, U.S. Air Force colonel, NASA astronaut
Victor Pelevin, novelist
Brad Pitt, actor LEGEND OF THE FALL/MEET JOE BLACK/INTERVIEW WITH VAMPIRE
Ron Reagan, talk show host, son of former U.S. president (Ronald Reagan)
Keanu Reeves, American actor DEVIL'S ADVOCATE/THE MATRIX
Alex Rodriguez, American baseball player
Steven Seagal, American actor and aikido expert MARKED FOR DEATH
Russell Simmons, Entertainment and Fashion Mogul
Sting, English singer-songwriter, lead vocalist of The Police
Oliver Stone, film director
Sharon Stone, American actress, producer, and former fashion model TEARS IN THE RAIN/DIABOLIQUE dvd
George Takei, American actor, "Sulu" on Star Trek
Uma Thurman, American actress PAYCHECK/MY EX SUPERGIRLFRIEND
Thuy Trang (1973-2001), Vietnamese American Actress
Tina Turner, American singer-songwriter
Alice Walker, author (Color Purple and others)
Naomi Watts, British-Australian actress KING KONG
Dennis Weaver, actor McCLOUD
Ming-Na Wen, Chinese American Actress
Tiger Woods American Golfer
Elaine Wynn, Wynn Resorts, charities
Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts Limited, Las Vegas
Adam Yauch, American musician, director, producer, Beastie

Buddhist politicians
Mazie Hirono, U.S. Congresswoman, Democrat from Hawaii
Hank Johnson, U.S. Congressman, Democrat from Georgia
Eric Lubbock, United Kingdom, elected member of the House of Lords

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:heart: Love both lists,
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:19 pm

yawares wrote::heart: Love both lists,
yawares
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Thanks. Schindler's List is one of my all-time favorite movies. I also like The Bucket List. As you have probably noticed, I :heart: lists; especially Anguttara Nikaya lists.
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:56 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
yawares wrote::heart: Love both lists,
yawares
:heart:


Thanks. Schindler's List is one of my all-time favorite movies. I also like The Bucket List. As you have probably noticed, I :heart: lists; especially Anguttara Nikaya lists.


Dear David,
I think THE BUCKET LIST is kind of sad than funny....I love :heart: love Anguttara Nikaya
!!

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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby daverupa » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:07 pm

Does a list of all lists list itself?

:thinking:
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:49 pm

daverupa wrote:Does a list of all lists list itself?

:thinking:

Dear daverupa,
I give up! Please tell me [b]what Does a list of all lists list itself?
really mean?? :? :?
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby daverupa » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:51 pm

Russell's Paradox

"According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradict its own definition as a set containing all sets that are not members of themselves. On the other hand, if such a set is not a member of itself, it would qualify as a member of itself by the same definition. This contradiction is Russell's paradox.

"...There are some versions of this paradox that are closer to real-life situations and may be easier to understand for non-logicians. For example, the Barber paradox supposes a barber who shaves all men who do not shave themselves and only men who do not shave themselves. When one thinks about whether the barber should shave himself or not, the paradox begins to emerge."
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:24 pm

daverupa wrote:Russell's Paradox

"According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradict its own definition as a set containing all sets that are not members of themselves. On the other hand, if such a set is not a member of itself, it would qualify as a member of itself by the same definition. This contradiction is Russell's paradox.

"...There are some versions of this paradox that are closer to real-life situations and may be easier to understand for non-logicians. For example, the Barber paradox supposes a barber who shaves all men who do not shave themselves and only men who do not shave themselves. When one thinks about whether the barber should shave himself or not, the paradox begins to emerge."

but as a barber he would need to pay himself to shave himself, and a profession is not the whole of anyone, so it would depend if he is shaving as a professional service or not! :juggling:
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:49 pm

I think we have to add this thread to the list of threads which have been wrenched violently off topic.
:juggling:
How about getting back to Oskar S.? Or at least movies??
Schindler's List was a very good movie.
One of many good movies that Ben Kingsley played a significant part in.
Turtle Diary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090219/ was a very good early one. Gandhi http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083987/ was another.
Hugo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970179/ is a very recent one - a kid's movie that adults will enjoy.
He is still working. I see from IMDB that he is in Ender's Game http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/, which might be very good - the book certainly was.

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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:16 am

Cittasanto wrote:
daverupa wrote:Russell's Paradox

"According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradict its own definition as a set containing all sets that are not members of themselves. On the other hand, if such a set is not a member of itself, it would qualify as a member of itself by the same definition. This contradiction is Russell's paradox.

"...There are some versions of this paradox that are closer to real-life situations and may be easier to understand for non-logicians. For example, the Barber paradox supposes a barber who shaves all men who do not shave themselves and only men who do not shave themselves. When one thinks about whether the barber should shave himself or not, the paradox begins to emerge."

but as a barber he would need to pay himself to shave himself, and a profession is not the whole of anyone, so it would depend if he is shaving as a professional service or not! :juggling:

Dear Cittasanto,
I give up..don't know what you 2 talking about?? :thinking: :tongue:
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:20 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:I think we have to add this thread to the list of threads which have been wrenched violently off topic.
:juggling:
How about getting back to Oskar S.? Or at least movies??
Schindler's List was a very good movie.
One of many good movies that Ben Kingsley played a significant part in.
Turtle Diary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090219/ was a very good early one. Gandhi http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083987/ was another.
Hugo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970179/ is a very recent one - a kid's movie that adults will enjoy.
He is still working. I see from IMDB that he is in Ender's Game http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/, which might be very good - the book certainly was.

:namaste:
Kim

Dear Kim,
I love GANDHI...very good movie! Ben really looks so much like GANDHI
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:27 am

Greetings Yawares,

yawares wrote:Allen Ginsberg, poet

News to me...


yawares wrote:Hermann Hesse, Noble Prize winning author

I doubt it very much.

Angelina Jolie, American actress, humanist activist, Goodwill Ambassador for the UN Refugee Agency HER TATTOOS

I doubt it is anything but a label to her and the minions of hollywood buddhists. her tatts are nothing but a fashion accessory.

yawares wrote:Jack Kerouac, author, poet, painter

While I have great respect for Kerouac as a writer. His demise was antithetical of the Dhamma.

Tiger Woods American Golfer

So he says. But his recent behaviour indicates he is anything but.

kind regards,

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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:26 pm

Ben wrote:Greetings Yawares,

Allen Ginsberg, poet

News to me...
yawares:Me too! :tongue:

yawares wrote:Hermann Hesse, Noble Prize winning author

I doubt it very much. yawares don't know him..just on the list. :tongue:

Angelina Jolie, American actress, humanist activist, Goodwill Ambassador for the UN Refugee Agency...HER TATTOOS

I doubt it is anything but a label to her and the minions of hollywood buddhists. her tatts are nothing but a fashion accessory.

Yawares: I agree with you 100%..Angelinajolie is the strangest Goodwill Ambassador..and may be the only ambassador that has tattoos/naked pictures!!...what can I say..she gave millions to charity and EX-President Bush titled her USA Goodwill Ambassador! BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT ALL PEOPLE CAN BE BETTER IF THEY REALLY WANT TO :thinking:

yawares wrote:Jack Kerouac, author, poet, painter

While I have great respect for Kerouac as a writer. His demise was antithetical of the Dhamma.

yawares knows nothing about him :tongue:

Tiger Woods American Golfer

So he says. But his recent behaviour indicates he is anything but.

yawares : That's what happenned to super-richmen, women who love money/fame would throw themselves at these billionaire men..it will happen again and again....again...SAD BUT SO TRUE !! :tongue:
kind regards,
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Heart Of Gold : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fXaC07X5M8
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:29 pm

Thank you, Yawares.
Heart of Gold was the first song I learned to play on guitar many years ago.
kind regards.
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but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:21 pm

Alan Ginsberg was a pretty famous poet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Ginsberg

Herman Hesse received the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Hesse
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:24 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Alan Ginsberg was a pretty famous poet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Ginsberg

yawares: “Millions of babies in pain Millions of mothers in rain Millions of brothers in woe Millions of children nowhere to go”
very impressive :thumbsup: But I love the song "WE ARE THE WORLD"( by Michael Jackson) the most:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2W4-0qUdHY

Herman Hesse received the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Hesse

yawares: Such an amazing man! :anjali:

Dear David, I truly appreciate,
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:25 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Alan Ginsberg was a pretty famous poet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Ginsberg

Herman Hesse received the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Hesse


I agree David - totally.
Alan Ginsberg was part of the Beat scene and I have been a great fan of Herman Hesse's writings for decades. However, I have neither heard of Ginsberg profess his "faith" nor read about any artefacts of his practice.
Hesse's fictionalized depiction of Gautama leads me to believe that he had a very poor understanding of the Buddhadhamma.
But then again - I could be way off the mark.
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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:04 am

Ah, I see what you mean Ben. Yes, those from the "Beat" generation tend to get categorized as "Buddhist" when their affiliation is nominal at best, especially those like Kerouac.
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby lament » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:13 am

From Wikipedia, it seems Ginsberg was really a Buddhist and his teacher was none other than Trungpa.

Hesse, I remember reading somewhere that he actually spent time meditating trying to become enlightened. Presumably it didn't work. I doubt he ever thought of himself as a Buddhist. Siddhartha is partly autobiographical: He meets the Buddha, but realizes that he could not be satisfied by following another person's teachings.
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Re: David's List VS Schindler's List

Postby yawares » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:09 am

lament wrote:From Wikipedia, it seems Ginsberg was really a Buddhist and his teacher was none other than Trungpa.

Hesse, I remember reading somewhere that he actually spent time meditating trying to become enlightened. Presumably it didn't work. I doubt he ever thought of himself as a Buddhist. Siddhartha is partly autobiographical: He meets the Buddha, but realizes that he could not be satisfied by following another person's teachings.

Dear "lament",
Thank you for giving more information about Hesse...I feel like I know/understand him better :thinking:
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