The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Sutiro » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:42 pm

' Poo Hoo bor wah, Poo wah bor hoo' is a saying Loom Por Chah would often use in Lao, which was his native language. I'll put the translation underneath.
'The One who Knows doesn't say. The one who says, doesn't know.'

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Mr Man » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:28 am

Cittasanto wrote:Ajahn Sumedho uses this "one who knows" quite a lot and I believe he uses it in the same context of other Thai Ajahns, and I understood it to mean the "knowing of what is" everyone has, such as "their is pain" similar to noting in Mahasi circles.

I think you have misunderstood.

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:17 am

Mr Man wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:Ajahn Sumedho uses this "one who knows" quite a lot and I believe he uses it in the same context of other Thai Ajahns, and I understood it to mean the "knowing of what is" everyone has, such as "their is pain" similar to noting in Mahasi circles.

I think you have misunderstood.

care to elaborate?
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Mr Man » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:55 pm

Cittasanto wrote:
Mr Man wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:Ajahn Sumedho uses this "one who knows" quite a lot and I believe he uses it in the same context of other Thai Ajahns, and I understood it to mean the "knowing of what is" everyone has, such as "their is pain" similar to noting in Mahasi circles.

I think you have misunderstood.

care to elaborate?


When the noting commences, one has moved away from the knowing,

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:43 pm

I did say similar not the same as. I was pointing to a similar level of cognition.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill

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Re: The Buddha as "one who knows" in Thai tradition

Postby Sutiro » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:54 pm

To learn more about Poo Roo, or Poo Hoo and how Loom Por taught it have a good read of his "Collected Teachings". I fortunately had first hand experience with him. It really isn't so complicated and no need to think about it too much. It is a platform, an observation point in our meditation reached when sati (mindfulness of mind) and sampajanna (mindfulness of body) come together as total awareness from where you can watch the whole performance of mind.

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