ohnofabrications wrote:Two noters who's accounts I have read said that they reached an endpoint in their practice and so assumed that there was nothing more to be done even though it didn't resemble a lack of the 10 fetters or even a lack of 5...
.... they believed that they had become arahants and that arahantship wasn't all that great.
Goofaholix wrote:I think you are confused between noting and labelling.
Noting is noticing.
Labelling is adding a word in ones mind in addition to the noting, like an aid or training wheels.
Labelling should eventually be dropped but can be helpful in future at times when concentration is poor or muddled.
It's common for people to think noting is a process of labelling because of the way it's taught in terms of labels, rising-falling etc, this is just a function of language.
billymac29 wrote:I think the Venerable Yuttadhammo may be of assistance. Here are a couple videos addressing this ind of question.
James the Giant wrote:Yes, he says to drop the labelling eventually. At some stage, what arises comes way too fast to label, just it just has to be noticed. I can't find where he says that though.
If you'd like to read Mahasi's instructions yourself, he gave nice compact instructions here:
LonesomeYogurt wrote:I'm not a practitioner of the Mahasi technique but I know that many in his tradition have stated that noting can be dropped once a certain degree of skill has been acquired.
Others, however, like Ajahn Tong, say that noting is essential for all meditators and should never be relinquished. He is the minority, however.
ohnofabrications wrote:Ah ok, I hadn't heard this before. Does mahasi say in his writings - that one drops the label-noting? or are you saying that using labels is something he simply doesn't teach?
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