Goofaholix wrote:I think you are confused between noting and labelling.
Noting is noticing.
Labelling is adding a word in ones mind in addition to the noting, like an aid or training wheels.
Labelling should eventually be dropped but can be helpful in future at times when concentration is poor or muddled.
It's common for people to think noting is a process of labelling because of the way it's taught in terms of labels, rising-falling etc, this is just a function of language.
Ah ok, I hadn't heard this before. Does mahasi say in his writings - that one drops the label-noting? or are you saying that using labels is something he simply doesn't teach?
billymac29 wrote:I think the Venerable Yuttadhammo may be of assistance. Here are a couple videos addressing this ind of question.
Yes those certainly addressed the question. The videos intrigued me and I read some of his stuff. It is clear that one's practice of labeling won't necessarily lead to the 'trap' i mentioned. However, I disagree that the 'breaking up' of stuff and seeing the 3Cs is impossible without the labels, it is unquestionable in my own experience that direct wordless observation leads to dispassion, perhaps noting enhances the process and perhaps it is what the buddha taught, i am not sure. I think I will experience with noting a bit.
James the Giant wrote:
Yes, he says to drop the labelling eventually. At some stage, what arises comes way too fast to label, just it just has to be noticed. I can't find where he says that though.
If you'd like to read Mahasi's instructions yourself, he gave nice compact instructions here:http://www.buddhanet.net/m_part1.htm
Ok, if you ever find where he says that (it does seem controversial as I have gotten 4 answers ;P) let me know. Thank you for the instructions, I will ask the noters if they are interested in your nigerian friends.
LonesomeYogurt wrote:I'm not a practitioner of the Mahasi technique but I know that many in his tradition have stated that noting can be dropped once a certain degree of skill has been acquired.
Others, however, like Ajahn Tong, say that noting is essential for all meditators and should never be relinquished. He is the minority, however.
Okay, I am getting the sense it is controversial, if anyone has a source of mahasi saying noting should be dropped i'd appreciate it.