DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
Eating food is conditioned and something that one has to do for life. Do we need to reject eating and starve to death?
DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
That's why we ought to be reticent about attainments. The arahants who declare on here: they don't stay around long, do they? I reckon they get tracked down by men in black, and there is a desert laboratory somewhere that is full of them...daverupa wrote:The eightfold path is conditioned, so that's not quite right.DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
Caffeine, cannabis, cocaine, chocolate... it's interesting to see the unspoken assumption remain unspoken, to wit "this substance will make the Dhamma easier, because as-is it's not easy enough..."
I'm much more interested in getting an arahant under an fMRI...
I would not take it that verbally, but at least the statement is not wrong. We use the contitioned skillfull to get free from it. One step after the other, but the direction is clear. And regarding the food, if there is no more food, what would burn. So one keeps the flamme burning, that it might not run away and burns again on another place, till no more food is left.daverupa wrote:The eightfold path is conditioned, so that's not quite right.DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
Caffeine, cannabis, cocaine, chocolate... it's interesting to see the unspoken assumption remain unspoken, to wit "this substance will make the Dhamma easier, because as-is it's not easy enough..."
I'm much more interested in getting an arahant under an fMRI...
That is an interesting proposition, Dave. However, in my experience, there seems to be an inverse relationship between real spiritual progress and talking about it.daverupa wrote:I'm much more interested in getting an arahant under an fMRI...
Mawkish1983 wrote:I vote against using drugs as an aid to samadhi or sati. I believe that the arguments I have seen in their favour present strawman arguements or are at least very naive. Any attempt to strive towards abandoning craving by trying to control the physical world, or the mental world through physical means (i.e. looking 'out there' to change the disposition of what is 'in here') I believe is doomed to failure.
Wrong.DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
All that have condition is impermanent, is illusion, all that is impermanent is dukkha, right practice cant bring the dukkha, right practice brings descovering of Unconditioned, Unestablished, Uncreated.tiltbillings wrote:Wrong.DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
Eightfold path have not conditioning as aimdaverupa wrote:The eightfold path is conditioned, so that's not quite right.DAWN wrote:We must develop that is unconditioned
All that have condition, must be rejected
The Buddha is NOT-COGNITION.ancientbuddhism wrote:They enhance cognitionHanzze wrote:However, do you think that it aids to Enlightenment?
Could you expand on that? The unconditioned is by definition not dependent on any conditioned thing or phenomena.He of Cryptic Brevity wrote:Wrong.
Classic. Claiming amphetamines (Nootropics) can be used without risk is like looking at the sunset going down over the trees while the birds are singing, and saying this is so beautiful it must indeed be the work of God. Taking no account for evolution (facts).ancientbuddhism wrote:Except for some of the amphetamines listed as Nootropics (and even these can conceivably be used without risk of ‘heedlessness’), I don’t see how any of these fail the caution of sīla.Caraka wrote:If such a drug existed is idle speculations.If such a drug existed, I think it's not a violation of the 5th precept, since the full phrase includes "which lead to carelessness".
The fifth precept is for me a translation trying to make the Buddhas teaching about moral and ethic understandable in English. What if it really meant 'smacking your feet off the fundament that your virtue is buildt upon' ?
Anything that can lead one onto unwholesome thoughts or actions is not good, I hope all can agree about that. So for me the question is not what Pharmacological Aids might lead to, or not. It is all about what can lead me onto more wholesome thoughts and actions. Alcohol? Drugs? Pharmacological Aids? I don't think so.
“Ariyo panāyye, aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo saṅkhato udāhu asaṅkhato”ti?DAWN wrote:...