danieLion,danieLion wrote:We must be talking to different "drunkards"--if by "drunkard" you mean alcoholics. Perhaps they're the same drunkards that hang out on "the corner smoking skunk" Aloka swears are real?Hanzze wrote:Most drunkwards would swear that they are not drunken, even asked by the police. Of course they also report total relief of pain. That is what cheating brings about and it seems to be unintentional. What might be the cause?but some users report TOTAL pain relief and little or no "intoxicating" side effects
And when those intoxicated on alcohol get asked by the police if they're intoxicated and they deny it, it's not because they forgot. It's because they're lying.
The cops I've interacted with don't interview people about pain.
I don't know what you mean by "cheating".
The only substantial reason pot's illegal is because the paper industry doesn't want it to be and they have money to lobby it into illegality.
look, the reason why one should better not take indoxicants is, because they change the awareness (good bad is not so the matter). So cheating will not be realised, the level of intention might be different, but the effect of indoxicants, even subtile is the same.
I did not talk about a lie while aware of it. If somebody would not believe that it is good for him, he would not take it. As long somebody believes that deeds have no real unwholesome effects, one will continue. Not knowing things now, it's good to relay on wise people. Buddha is hardly regarded as one.
And one further thing is that somebody with less understanding would simply imitate somebody who takes something out of another reason. So wise people even do not take indoxicats even if they would not be touched by it. For them on the way it's a selfprotection and for those more advanced a matter of protecting others.
Generally the blameless samples are wiser to be followed as those which are mainly maintained through constructions of thoughts and excuses.